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ArgyllGran
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16 Oct 2023 17:35 |
PM sent to Michael to let him know there are replies here.
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ErikaH
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16 Oct 2023 16:32 |
John(1801) is in a GR member's tree other than yours...........try making contact
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ArgyllGran
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15 Oct 2023 15:49 |
On 14 Oct at 10:50, ErikaH posted 1851 census for John, Sarah, and children.
Here they are in 1841:
John Arthur in the 1841 England Census Name John Arthur Age 40 Estimated Birth Year abt 1801 Gender Male Where born Gloucestershire, England Civil parish Bourton On The Hill Hundred Tewkesbury (Upper Division) County/Island Gloucestershire Country England Registration district Shipston on Stour Sub-registration district Moreton Neighbors Piece 367 Book 12 Folio 7 Page number 16 Household Members (Name) Age John Arthur 40 Sarah Arthur 40 Henry Arthur 13 Mary Arthur 10
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ArgyllGran
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15 Oct 2023 15:46 |
Re John, who married Sarah Keen - [EDIT: Snap, ErikaH !]
Baptisms of John's siblings:
Elizabeth Arthur Vital • England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name Elizabeth Arthur Sex Female Father's Name John Arthur Father's Sex Male Mother's Name Eliz Mother's Sex Female Event Type Christening Event Date 22 Dec 1799 Event Place Snowshill, Gloucestershire, England Event Place (Original) Snowshill, Gloucester, England
Thomas Arthur Vital • England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name Thomas Arthur Sex Male Father's Name John Arthur Father's Sex Male Mother's Name Elizabeth Mother's Sex Female Event Type Christening Event Date 7 May 1797 Event Place Snowshill, Gloucestershire, England Event Place (Original) Snowshill, Gloucester, England
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ErikaH
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15 Oct 2023 15:46 |
Henry's SISTER
Name Mary Arthur Event Type Baptism Baptism Date 1 May 1831 Baptism Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England Father John Arthur Mother Sarah Arthur
1891 census Name Mary Arthur Gender Female Age 60 Relationship Servant Birth Year 1831 Birth Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish Stoke Ecclesiastical parish Evan St John Residence Place Stoke, Surrey, England Registration district Guildford Sub registration district Guildford ED, Institution or Vessel 7 Neighbors View others on page Piece 559 Folio 172
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ErikaH
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15 Oct 2023 15:44 |
Another child of John & Sarah
Name Charles Arthur Event Type Baptism Baptism Date 13 Sep 1826 Baptism Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England Father John Arthur Mother Sarah Arthur
Name Charles Arthur Age 0 Birth Date abt 1826 Burial Date 24 Oct 1826 Burial Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England
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ErikaH
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15 Oct 2023 15:35 |
John's (1801) siblings
Name Thomas Arthur Event Type Baptism Baptism Date 7 May 1797 Baptism Place Snowshill, Gloucestershire, England Parish as it Appears Snowshill Father John Arthur Mother Elizabeth Arthur
Name Elizabeth Arthur Event Type Baptism Baptism Date 22 Dec 1799 Baptism Place Snowshill, Gloucestershire, England Parish as it Appears Snowshill Father John Arthur Mother Eliz. Arthur
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ArgyllGran
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14 Oct 2023 13:26 |
Henry was a bachelor on marriage to Amelia - so , as already said, there was no wife before her, and I think you're somehow thinking that his sister Mary was his wife.
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ErikaH
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14 Oct 2023 13:21 |
Cannot see John Arthur's marriage to Elizabeth pre-1801 (parents of John who married Sarah Keen)
PHILIP is NOT in this line
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ArgyllGran
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14 Oct 2023 13:19 |
We would need some information about Doug Arters before we could possibly try to find any connection.
His age, POB, parents' names, etc, etc.
Which of his family first emigrated from Britain to USA? And when?
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ErikaH
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14 Oct 2023 13:16 |
Name Charlotte Tucker Gender Female Record Type Marriage Marriage Date 20 Dec 1842 Marriage Place Godalming, Surrey, England Father George Tucker Spouse George Barnes Register Type Bishop's Transcript
Name Charlotte Barnes [Charlotte Tucker] Gender Female Marriage Age 33 Record Type Marriage Birth Date abt 1820 Marriage Date 27 Nov 1853 Marriage Place St Mary's Church, Surrey, England Father George Tucker Spouse William Maybank
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ErikaH
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14 Oct 2023 13:14 |
Charlotte Arthur in the 1911 England Census
Name Charlotte Arthur Age in 1911 87 Estimated Birth Year abt 1824 Relation to Head Inmate Gender Female Birth Place GUILDFORD, Surrey, England Civil parish Lambeth County/Island London Country England Street Address Lambeth Workhouse, Renfrew Road Marital Status Widowed
Name Charlotte Arthur Age 92 Estimated Birth Year abt 1821 Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar Death Registration Place Lambeth, London, United Kingdom Death Date Mar 1913 Inferred Death Place London, United Kingdom Volume 1d Page 335
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Name Charlotte Arthurs Age 81 Estimated Birth Year abt 1820 Relation to Head Lodger Gender Female Birth Place Guildford, Surrey, England Civil parish Holy Trinity Ecclesiastical parish Holy Trinity Town Guildford County/Island Surrey Country England Registration district Guildford Sub-registration district Guildford
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ErikaH
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14 Oct 2023 13:09 |
Name Henry Arthur Gender Male Marriage Age 59 Record Type Marriage Birth Date abt 1828 Marriage Date 30 Jul 1887 Marriage Place St Mary the Virgin, Surrey, England Parish as it Appears Shalford Father John Arthur Spouse Charlotte Maybank, widow, nee Tucker
Name Henry Arthur Gender Male Age 62 Relationship Head Birth Year 1829 Birth Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish Shalford Ecclesiastical parish Shalford Residence Place Shalford, Surrey, England Registration district Hambledon Sub registration district Cranley ED, Institution or Vessel 13 Neighbors View others on page Piece 573 Folio 59 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Henry Arthur 62 Head Charlotte Arthur 70 Wife Albert Arthur 23 Son David Arthur 22 Son
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ArgyllGran
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14 Oct 2023 13:06 |
Henry - for our info:
Henry Arthur in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name Henry Arthur Age 68 Estimated Birth Year abt 1829 Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun Death Registration Place Hambledon, Surrey, United Kingdom Death Date Jun 1897 Inferred Death Place Surrey, United Kingdom Volume 2a Page 82
Henry Arthur in the Surrey, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1997 Name Henry Arthur Age 68 Birth Date abt 1829 Death Date abt 1897 Burial Date 26 May 1897 Burial Place St Mary the Virgin, Shalford, Surrey, England Parish as it Appears Shalford
Henry Arthur in the 1891 England Census Name Henry Arthur Gender Male Age 62 Relationship Head Birth Year 1829 Spouse Charlotte Arthur Child Albert Arthur David Arthur Birth Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish Shalford Ecclesiastical parish Shalford Residence Place Shalford, Surrey, England Registration district Hambledon Sub registration district Cranley ED, Institution or Vessel 13 Neighbors Piece 573 Folio 59 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Henry Arthur 62 Head Charlotte Arthur 70 Wife Albert Arthur 23 Son David Arthur 22 Son
Henry Arthur in the Surrey, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 Name Henry Arthur Gender Male Marriage Age 59 Record Type Marriage Birth Date abt 1828 Marriage Date 30 Jul 1887 Marriage Place St Mary the Virgin, Surrey, England Parish as it Appears Shalford Father John Arthur Spouse Charlotte Maybank <<<<<<<<<
Henry Arthur in the 1881 England Census Name Henry Arthur Age 52 Estimated Birth Year abt 1829 Relationship to Head Head Spouse Amelia Arthur Gender Male Where born Bourton On The Hill, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish Shalford County/Island Surrey Country England Street Address Shalford Common 5 Mitchell Row Marital Status Married Occupation Stone Mason Registration district Hambledon ED, institution, or vessel 14 Neighbors Piece 793 Folio 64 Page number 23 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Henry Arthur 52 Head Amelia Arthur 50 Wife John Arthur 16 Son Henry Arthur 14 Son Albert Arthur 12 Son David Arthur 10 Son Mary A. Arthur 6 Daughter
Henry Arthur in the 1871 England Census Name Henry Arthur Age 42 Estimated Birth Year 1829 Relation Head Gender Male Where born Burton, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish Shalford Town Shalford County/Island Surrey Country England Registration district Hambledon Sub-registration district Cranley ED, institution, or vessel 14 Household schedule number 114 Piece 826 Folio 73 Page number 22 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Henry Arthur 42 Head Amelia Arthur 40 Wife William Arthur 18 Son Charles Arthur 16 Son Emily Arthur 8 Daughter John Arthur 6 Son Harry Arthur 4 Son Albert Arthur 3 Son David Arthur 11/12 Son
??? Henry Arthurs in the 1861 England Census Name Henry Arthurs Gender Male Age 32 Relation Lodger Estimated Birth Year 1829 Where born Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish Aston Ecclesiastical parish Erdington County/Island Warwickshire Country England Registration district Aston Sub-registration district Erdington ED, institution, or vessel 22 Neighbors Household schedule number 109 Piece 2185 Folio 106 Page number 20 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship William Luckocks 44 Head Caroline Luckocks 43 Wife Fanny Luckocks 11 Daughter Edward Shaw 19 Apprentice Henry Arthurs 32 Lodger - unmarried [??? ], stone mason <<<<<<<<< Frances Green 23 Lodger
(1861 for Amelia and children already posted.)
Henry Arthur in the 1851 England Census Name Henry Arthur Age 22 Estimated Birth Year abt 1829 Relation Son Father's Name John Arthur Mother's Name Sarah Arthur Gender Male Where born Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish Bourton on the Hill County/Island Gloucestershire Country England Registration district Shipston On Stour Sub-registration district Campden ED, institution, or vessel 2 Neighbors Household schedule number 104 Piece 2076 Folio 284 Page number 26 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship John Arthur 50 Head - stone mason Sarah Arthur 53 Wife Henry Arthur 22 Son Mary Arthur 19 Daughter Charles Keen 26 Nephew
You say Henry married a Mary, born 1832. Are you perhaps thinking of his sister Mary Arthur 1832 ??
I don't see a wife before Amelia.
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ErikaH
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14 Oct 2023 10:50 |
Name John Arthur Event Type Baptism Baptism Date 3 Apr 1801 Baptism Place Snowshill, Gloucestershire, England Parish as it Appears Snowshill Father John Arthur******************************************************** Mother Elizth Arthur
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Bourton on the Hill, Shipston on Stour, Gloucestershire, England John Arthur Head Married Male 50 1801 Stone mason Snowshill, Gloucestershire, England Sarah Arthur Wife Married Female 56 1795 - Chipping Campden, Gloucestershire, England Henry Arthur Son Unmarried Male 22 1829 Stone mason - Mary Arthur Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1832 - - Charles Keen Nephew Unmarried Male 26 1825 Stone mason Chipping Campden, Gloucestershire, England
Re-think required ;-) ;-) ;-)
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ErikaH
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14 Oct 2023 10:42 |
You have the wrong birth year for HENRY.................how much research have you done?
Name Henry Arthur Event Type Baptism Baptism Date 11 May 1828 Baptism Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England Father John Arthur................Occ: Mason Mother Sarah Arthur
Name John Arthur Gender Male Event Type BANNS Date 27 Nov 1825 Marriage Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England Parish as it Appears Southern Oxfordshire Spouse Sarah Keen
Name John Arthur Gender Male Marriage Date 8 Dec 1825 Marriage Place Chipping Campden,Gloucester,England Spouse Sarah Keen FHL Film Number 0504453, 0504454
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ErikaH
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14 Oct 2023 10:32 |
Deaths Jun 1885 (>99%) Arthur Amelia 54 Hambledon 2a 87
Name Amelia Arthur Age 54 Birth Date abt 1831 Death Date abt 1885 Burial Date 9 Apr 1885 Burial Place St Mary the Virgin, Shalford, Surrey, England
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Dovedale, Blockley, Shipston on Stour, Worcestershire & Gloucestershire, England
Amelia Arthur Head Married Female 30 1831 - Blockley, Worcestershire, England William Arthur Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar Blockley, Worcestershire, England Charles Arthur Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Blockley, Worcestershire, England Sarah Ann Arthur Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Blockley, Worcestershire, England
ARTHUR, SARAH ANN HITCHMAN GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in SHIPSTON ON STOUR Volume 06D Page 524
Name Henry Arthur Gender Male Marriage Age Full Age Event Type Marriage Marriage Date 13 Sep 1851 Marriage Place Blockley, Gloucestershire, England Father ------------ Arthur........Occ: Mason Spouse Amelia Hitchman Father John Hitchman........Occ: Mason
We are all just paying members..........PLEASE remember that
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ErikaH
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14 Oct 2023 09:55 |
I doubt very much that the women all had the surname Arthur BEFORE they married
The way to prove YOUR ancestry is to work back, systematically, from yourself…..verifying each step as you progress.
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nameslessone
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14 Oct 2023 09:10 |
Not sure how you can have the correct older generation when you aren’t sure about the younger.
Buy certificates where you can from the GRO. You can also now check mothers maiden names from the GRO without making purchases.
Search for wills.
N.B. No where have you said where any of the names mentioned came from.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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14 Oct 2023 07:43 |
How do you expect others to confirm it please?
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