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Thank you again to alviegal, greyghost and to Kay for the sad bit of news

*First name(s) Grace Ellen Victoria
Spouse's father's last name Baldwin
*Last name Carnell
Spouse's father's occupation Carman
*Age 21
First witness Henry Curnell
*Birth year 1901
Second witness Ethel May Budd
*Marital status Spinster
Third witness Lilian Grace Baldwin
*Marriage year 1922
Fourth witness Thomas Alexander Pringler
*Marriage date 05 Sep 1922
County Surrey
*Marriage place Nutfield, Ss Peter & Paul
Country England
*Father's first name(s) Henry
Archive Surrey History Centre
*Father's last name Carnell
Archive reference P26/5/7
*Father occupation Bailiff
Register type Marriages
Spouse's first name(s) Jesse Folley
Year range 1837-1924
Spouse's last name Baldwin
Page 244
Spouse's age 26
Record set Surrey Marriages
Spouse's birth year 1896
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Spouse's occupation Railway Porter
Subcategory Parish Marriages

looking at the M/C he was resident Ranby, Notts and she was Priory Farm, Nutfield.

Grace in 1921. She is 20 years and 5 months old, b Stapleford, Essex. have submitted corrections.

1921 Census Of England & Wales
East Mangosted, Blanford Road, Reigate, Surrey, England

Household members (9 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Sidney J Hose Head
Male 1886 35 Forest Gate, Essex, England Insurance Broker -
Violet Carrie Hose Wife
Female 1896 25 Hooe, Sussex, England - -
Robert Michael Hose Son
Male 1918 2 Reigate, Surrey, England - -
Peter Graham Hose Son
Male 1920 1 - - -
Alice F Wilson Visitor
Female 1867 54 London, Middlesex, England - -
Daisy Coldman Servant
Female 1893 27 Reigate, Surrey, England - Private
>>Grace Carnell Servant
Female 1891 30 Essex, England - Private
Sarah A Sharpe Servant
Female 1853 67 Sidlesham, Sussex, England - Private
Emily Bilton Servant
Female 1880 40 Kent, England - Private


and her parents


1921 Census Of England & Wales
Priory Farm, Nutfield, Charlwood, Surrey, England

Household members (2 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Henry Carnell Head
Male 1866 54 London, England Stockman On Farm Private
Ellen Carnell Wife
Female 1873 48 East Grinstead, Sussex, England Home Duties -

Robert and Jane in 1891 - Harriet not with them but William and Thomas show on the Ancestry tree

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
22, Lower Glenvue Road, East Grinstead, Sussex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Cooper Head Married Male 37 1854 General labourer East Grinstead, Sussex, England
Jane Cooper Wife Married Female 37 1854 - East Grinstead, Sussex, England
William J Cooper Son Single Male 14 1877 Paper boy East Grinstead, Sussex, England
Thomas J Cooper Son - Male 13 1878 Scholar East Grinstead, Sussex, England
Percy A Cooper Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Oxted, Surrey, England
Sarah A Cooper Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar East Grinstead, Sussex, England
Emily E Cooper Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar East Grinstead, Sussex, England
Florrie K Cooper Daughter - Female 3 1888 - East Grinstead, Sussex, England
Frederick C Cooper Son - Male 0 1891 - East Grinstead, Sussex, England


and 1881 when Harriet is with Robert and Jane

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Merle Common, Oxted, Godstone, Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Cooper Head Married Male 26 1855 Head farm lab East Grinstead, Sussex, England
Jane Cooper Wife Married Female 26 1855 Head farm lab wife East Grinstead, Sussex, England
Harriet E Elliss Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar East Grinstead, Sussex, England
William J Cooper Son Single Male 4 1877 - East Grinstead, Sussex, England
Thomas J Cooper Son Single Male 3 1878 - East Grinstead, Sussex, England
Allan R Cooper Son Single Male 1 1880 - East Grinstead, Sussex, England

Again via the ancestry tree - the witness may well be her "Father". Harriet's Mother is shown as Jane Ellis 1855 - who married Robert Cooper in 1876 East Grinstead.

So married after Harriet's birth. Harriet has married under her birth name of Ellis, given that correctly for GRace's birth but used Coper for the earlier births as she would hab=ve known Robert Cooper most of her life as her Father. Perhaps he even was ??

i can't see a birth reg. for Harriet but registration was not fully legal until later in the 1870's

Sadly+++++GUARD FOUND DEAD ON LINE GUARD FOUND DEAD ON LINE The body of a miway passenger guard, Jesse Folly Baldwin. area about 55. of Ramby. Ftetfard Nottinghamshire. was found, early today, on the line near Lula° Central Station. It is believed that he was over by a locomotive.

Halifax EvningCourier
10-June 1952.

and many other paper editions same date

As Grace's Mum came from East Grinstead, could this then be the marriage of Grace's parents?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)
Carnell Henry E. Grinstead 2b 297
ELLIS Harriet Ellen E. Grinstead 2b 297
HODGE George E. Grinstead 2b 297
Pattenden Adelaide Caroline E. Grinstead 2b 297

A tree on Ancestry has her Mother as Harriet Ellen Cooper HOWEVER -
the marriage certificate is on there and -

Married 25 Dec 1892 at St Swithuns Church, East Grinstead.
Henry 26 Bachelor Gardener, living in St Mary's, Leyton, Essex at time of marriage, son of James Carnell a deceased Labourer.

Harriet Ellen 21 spinster of East Grinstead no Father's name entered.

witnesses - Edith Kate Clifton and Robert Cooper

Are these Grace's siblings?
West Ham covers Leyton where May is said to be born and Albert born Hackney

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
CARNELL, ETHEL MAY COOPER
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 311

CARNELL, ALBERT HENRY COOPER
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 602

But why Grace with mmn Ellis.

Sometimes, depending on how the question was asked the maiden name of the Mother's Mother was given

Thank you greyghost, I would never have found these !!

And no wonder she can't be found in 1911 via FMP !! Reported

1911 Census For England & Wales
Kelseys or Bryants Farm Cobham Surrey, Great Bookham, Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Carnell Head Married Male 44 1867 Stockman Camberwell London
Ellen Carnell Wife Married Female 40 1871 - East Grisstead Sussex
Albert Carnell Son - Male 12 1899 - Stupleford Abbotts
Albert Carnell Son - Male 12 1899 - Hackney N E Town

Parents married 18 years - 4 children born, 1 has died

Transcribed as Cornell on Ancestry but as Connell from Find My Past

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Bourne Bridge, Stapleford Abbots, Ongar, Essex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Convell Head Married Male 34 1867 Farm steward Camberwell, Surrey, England
Ellen Convell Wife Married Female 31 1870 - East Grinstead, Sussex, England
May Convell Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Leyton, Essex, England
Albert Convell Son Single Male 2 1899 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
Grace Convell Daughter - Female 0 1901 - -

greyghost, this extra information is what I had hoped for and I will pass all this on to my friend and she can take things from there.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Lower Chinnor, Chinnor, Thame, Oxfordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Baldwin Head Married Male 40 1861 Farm labourer Chinnor, Oxfordshire, England
Eliza Baldwin Wife Married Female 38 1863 Lace maker Chinnor, Oxfordshire, England
Harry Baldwin Son Single Male 18 1883 Farm labourer Chinnor, Oxfordshire, England
Amy Baldwin Daughter - Female 12 1889 - Chinnor, Oxfordshire, England
Joseph Baldwin Son - Male 8 1893 - Chinnor, Oxfordshire, England
John Baldwin Son - Male 6 1895 - Chinnor, Oxfordshire, England
Jesse Baldwin Son - Male 3 1898 - Chinnor, Oxfordshire, England
Alice Baldwin Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Chinnor, Oxfordshire, England
Margaret Baldwin Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Chinnor, Oxfordshire, England

HIs Parents marriage
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%)
BALDWIN Joseph Wycombe 3a 638
COLLETT Alice Wycombe 3a 638
Folley Eliza Maria Wycombe 3a 638
WOOLLEY Albert Wycombe 3a 638

His birth - Thame RD covers Chinnor

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BALDWIN, JESSE FOLLY FOLLY
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in THAME Volume 03A Page 865

BALDWIN, MARGARET ROSE FOLLY
GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in THAME Volume 03A Page 933

BALDWIN, JOSEPH GEORGE FOLLEY
GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in WYCOMBE Volume 03A Page 738

Place of birth as per 1921

1911 Census For England & Wales
Chinnor Wallingford Oxon, Chinnor, Oxfordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Baldwin Head Married Male 50 1861 Carman carrier Wigginton Tring
Eliza M Baldwin Wife Married Female 48 1863 - Chinnor Oxon
Joseph Baldwin Son Single Male 18 1893 Labourer bricklayers Chinnor Oxon
John Baldwin Son Single Male 16 1895 Farm labourer Chinnor Oxon
Jesse Baldwin Son - Male 13 1898 School Chinnor Oxon
Alice M Baldwin Daughter Single Female 12 1899 School Chinnor Oxon
Margaret R Baldwin Daughter - Female 10 1901 School Chinnor Oxon
Grace L Baldwin Daughter - Female 9 1902 - Chinnor Oxon
Harold Baldwin Son - Male 5 1906 - Chinnor Oxon
Nellie Baldwin Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Chinnor Oxon

Married 28 years. 13 children born and 13 living

If you’d checked his birth on freebmd, you’d have seen what Jesse’s second forename was ;-)

Which would mean this is probably the same person - the address is Ranby Canal Bridge

England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1910-1932
Babworth,Nottinghamshire,England

First name(s) Jesse Folly
Country England
Last name Baldwin
Register type Parliamentary County
Year 1922
Archive The British Library
Season Autumn
Archive reference SPR.Mic.P.40/BL.N.47
Polling district or place Babworth
Record set England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1910-1932
Constituency P C of Nottinghamshire, Bassetlaw Division
Category Census, land & surveys
Constituency in full Parliamentary County of Nottinghamshire, Bassetlaw Division
Subcategory Electoral Rolls
County Nottinghamshire
Collections from Great Britain, England

Presuming the 1939 register is correct, is this Jesse in 1921

1921 Census Of England & Wales
18, Ranby, Babworth, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
James A Nicholson Head Male 1872 49 Retford, Nottinghamshire, England Labourer (Wood) Toljames Estage, Osberton
Miriam Nicholson Wife Female 1872 49 Retford, Nottinghamshire, England Housewife -
Fanny Nicholson Daughter Female 1901 20 Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England Domestic Servant Private
Doris Nicholson Daughter Female 1909 11 Ranby, Nottinghamshire, England - -
Jess F Baldwin Boarder Male 1897 24 Chinnor, Oxfordshire, England Porter G C Railway
Albert Whithead Boarder Male 1900 21 Cottam, Nottinghamshire, England Platelayer G C Railway

Thank you for the 1939 register.