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ArgyllGran
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8 Sep 2023 11:16 |
That's a pity. Don't know what else to suggest, I'm afraid!
The printout and certificate should both give you the same info. The only difference is that the printout isn't an official legal document. NZBDM says it is "A copy of the information from the registration, and usually used for research purposes. It is either handwritten or typed"
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Craig
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8 Sep 2023 06:28 |
Hi all Just received printout, nothing other than father and mother mentioned as being parents of Jessie Gertrude Parker, nothing about possible adoption.
Craig
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29 Aug 2023 21:46 |
Thanks, I will try and get a printout instead on Jessie Gertrude Parker and her recorded parents. I'm told a printout can give you more details than a certificate.
Craig
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ArgyllGran
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29 Aug 2023 08:44 |
Yes, the adoption scenario does sound possible -
but impossible to prove without seeing the adoption documents (if any).
Perhaps the next step would be to order a copy of the birth cert, to see the parents' details. For instance, were they married or not? There might also be some note added to indicate that Jessie was adopted.
Registration Number Family Name Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) 1903/17448 Parker Jessie Gertrude Laura Arthur
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Craig
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29 Aug 2023 05:24 |
Hi In NZ you have to go thru the Courts to get adoption documents. Legal adoption stated in 1881, new act 1955
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Craig
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29 Aug 2023 05:22 |
Thank you for all that data, NZBDM has Jessies Gertrude Parker 1903 parents are ARTHUR & LAURA ErikaH Does this sound possible Jessie Gertrude Parker was her birth name and Charles Albert Melville and Mary Anne Franklin adopted her and they changed her name to Jessie Gertrude Melville. There was no birth certificate for Jessie, that's why when she and my mother went and applied for the old age pension she did not exist
Craig NZ
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ArgyllGran
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28 Aug 2023 18:57 |
They seem to be two different women - though I admit the Melville record below is from someone's tree, therefore to be regarded with suspicion.
Different dates of death, and different places of death, about 360 miles apart.:
Jessie Gertrude Melville in the Geneanet Community Trees Index Name Jessie Gertrude Melville Gender F (Female) Birth Date 1903 Birth Place Waipu, Marsden (Waipu), Northland, Nouvelle-Zélande (New Zealand) Death Date 1 nov. 1969 (1 Nov 1969) Death Place Waipu, Marsden (Waipu), Northland, Nouvelle-Zélande (New Zealand) Spouse Eugene Henry Robinson
Jessie Gertrude Ansley in the Australia and New Zealand, Find a Grave® Index, 1800s-Current Name Jessie Gertrude Ansley Gender Female Birth Date 1903 Birth Place Hamilton City, Waikato, New Zealand Death Date 8 Nov 1969 Death Place Whanganui District, Manawatu-Whanganui, New Zealand Cemetery Aramoho Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place Whanganui, Whanganui District, Manawatu-Whanganui, New Zealand Has Bio? N Spouse Eric William Ansley
The Robinson marriage was in 1922.
Eugene Henry Robinson died in 1941 in Wanganui..
I don't see any marriage for Eric William Ansley - but the NZ Marriage Index on Ancestry only goes up to 1937. A tree on Ancestry claims it was in 1955 - but doesn't offer proof.
In 1969 Jessie and Eric are living at 69 Bell Street, Wanganui.
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ErikaH
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28 Aug 2023 11:27 |
Charles and Mary were at 232 Willis Street Wellington in 1911
Name Charles Albert Melville Death Age 95 Birth Date abt 1866 Death Date 15 Dec 1961 Death Place Wanganui Cemetery Cremations Burial Place Wanganui, Rangitikei, Wanganui
1871 Name Charles A Mellville Age 2 Estimated Birth Year 1869 Relation Son Gender Male Where born Bromley Kent England Civil parish East Grinstead Town East Grinstead County/Island Sussex Country England Registration district East Grinstead Sub-registration district East Grinstead ED, institution, or vessel 1 Household schedule number 181 Piece 1058 Folio 19 Page number 34 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Henry Thomas Mellville 38 Head Mary A Mellville 28 Wife Sydney A Mellville 3 Son Charles A Mellville 2 Son Henry C Mellville 1 Son Herbert P Mellville 1/12 Son Edward Lavender 16 Servant
Name Charles Albert Melville Baptism Date 31 Mar 1878 Baptism Place East Grinstead, Sussex, England Father Henry Thomas Melville Mother Mary Ann Melville
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ErikaH
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28 Aug 2023 10:57 |
MELVILLE, CHARLIE ALBERT (MMN) STEER GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in BROMLEY UNION Volume 02A Page 343
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ErikaH
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28 Aug 2023 10:54 |
Name Jessie Gertrude Parker Birth Date Jun 1903 Registration Place Hamilton, New Zealand Birth Quarter Apr-May-Jun Folio Number 1459
Her 'parents'
Marriage Charles Albert Melville 1868–1961
8 Dec 1901 Wellington, New Zealand Spouse Mary Anne Franklin 1869–1929
Get the birth cert for factual info
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ErikaH
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28 Aug 2023 10:51 |
Have you looked for a birth record for her?
Presumably, you meant to type 1903 for the birth year?
When did legal adoption come into force in New Zealand?
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28 Aug 2023 07:29 |
Jessie Gertrude Parker 1903–1969 BIRTH 21 JUN 1903 • Hamilton, New Zealand
DEATH 8 NOV 1969 • Wanganui, Whanganui, Manawatu-Wanganui, New Zealand.
this is what shows up by the tree owner. ?
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Craig
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27 Aug 2023 23:00 |
Hi All Is there someone out there who can access ancestry and check out the following for me. https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/118933536/person/162152202260/facts Jessie Gertrude Melville b.1803 either Auckland NZ or Wanganui, New Zealand. LDS has a family tree with both names married to Eugene Henry Robinson first marriage and 2nd marriage to Eric William Ansley. Contacted LDS member who submitted the tree and said he got the data from the above web site. Jessie may of been adopted and Parker may of been her birth name. She is my grand mother on my mother's side. Family have always thought she could of been adopted, no one still alive that could put me right about it once and for all.
Craig NZ
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