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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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14 Aug 2023 12:53 |
There’s no 3 church terrace on the 1921 census or anyone named Purt in the neighbourhood so he must have moved away
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14 Aug 2023 08:49 |
Can't take credit for finding it! Jackie PM'd me the newspaper name and date.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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14 Aug 2023 06:31 |
That’s a good find Argyll .explains a lot too
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13 Aug 2023 22:04 |
MATRIMONIAL TROUBLES. BEIGHTON AND MOSBRO' CASES DISMISSED
MOSBRO' CASES DISMISSED. There were two applications for separation and maintenance orders at the Eckington Petty Sessions on Monday. The first was that of Emma Beasley against a Beighton miner named Joseph Beasley, and was a somewhat unusual case. Mr W Tottle (Eckingt on ) defended in both cases. Complainant said that her husband had turned her out because she reproved his daughter for dirty habits a month ago, and he told her that his daughter was his wife. Cornplainant had to sleep in an outbuilding for that night till four o'clock in the morning, when she got into the house through a window. The following day she had to get out of his way as he threatened her. By Mr Tottle: She had been married before, but she could not swear whether her husband, whose name was Purt. was alive or not. Mr Tottle: When did you last see him? Complainant: On the 22nd of September, 1901, and that man (the defendant) knew he was alive when he put the ring on my finger. Have you had any correspondence with your husband since then? —No. When did you marry this man —ln 1906. Didn't you know that you were not a spinster? —l knew that I was a married woman. Why did you call yourself a spinster in this marriage certificate? —That man (defendant) put me up to it. Further replying to questions, complainant admitted that she wrote a letter to her niece in March, 1907, From Mrs E. Purt, care of Mrs Beasley, in which it said: I want you to do me a kindness: write and tell me where your uncle Fred is. She admitted that the person referred to was her husband. Mr Tottle: So you had doubt as to whether he was alive or dead? Complainant: I wrote to see if he was alive or dead, but he (the defendant) pulled the letter off the table and it never got sent,. So there is a considerable doubt as to whether you are the defendant's wife or not?— l can't say. Lydia Herberts, a neighbour, gave evidence for the complainant, who was then re-called, and in answer to the Magistrates' Clerk, said that she was married to the defendant in March, 1906, and at that time did not know if her husband was alive or dead. Robert Anderton, complainant's brother, said it was seven or eight years since he last saw his sister's husband, this being at Bury St. Edmunds. The Bench dismissed the case..
Published: Saturday 05 October 1907 Newspaper: Derbyshire Times
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13 Aug 2023 21:14 |
Thank you all for your help.
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13 Aug 2023 21:08 |
Fred's army records say he served in England 7/8/14-29/7/15. Gallipoli Aug-6/10/15. Malta 7/10/15-25/10/15. England 27/10/15-5/2/18. France 6/2/18-3/12/18.
Prisoner of war from 26/3/18-3/12/18. He took a wound to his left hip in Gallipoli.
He signed up to the labour corp on 22/5/19 and was discharged 5/4/20. His address was 3 Church Terrace, Bury St Edmunds.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 Aug 2023 09:59 |
Just for info
1939 Reg Name Sydney Holroyd Gender Male Marital Status Widowed Birth Date 27 Nov 1886 Residence Date 1939 Address 115 Bramber Street Residence Place Sheffield, Yorkshire (West Riding), England Occupation Electric Furnace Pitman Production Armament Tsli?? Line Number 39 Schedule Number 106 Sub Schedule Number 9 Enumeration District Kiob Borough Sheffield Registration district Sheffield 510/4 Household Members (Name) Gender Frank Fletcher Male Ivy Fletcher Female Frank J Fletcher Male John W Fletcher Male Doreen Fletcher Female Barbara May Fletcher Female Peter L Fletcher Male This record is officially closed. Sydney Holroyd Male
Death
Name Sydney Holroyd Death Age 60 Birth Date abt 1886 Registration Date Apr 1946 [May 1946] [Jun 1946] Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun Registration district Sheffield Inferred County Yorkshire West Riding Volume 9c Page 436
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13 Aug 2023 09:50 |
Name Emma Holroyd Birth Date 1873 Death Date 10 Jan 1938 Cemetery Tinsley Park Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place Sheffield, Metropolitan Borough of Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England Has Bio? N URL https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/223183431/emma-holroyd
Gravesite Details Age: 65, Occupation: wife of Sidney, Abode: 16 Glave St, District: Sheffield, Death date listed may be the interment date
So same address as 1921 census
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ArgyllGran
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13 Aug 2023 09:45 |
But didn't marry until 1929:
Marriages Dec 1929 (>99%) Beesley Emma Holroyd Sheffield 9c 1318 Holroyd Sidney Beesley Sheffield 9c 1318
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 Aug 2023 09:43 |
So Emma moved on again !!
1921 Census Of England & Wales 16, Glave Street, Sheffield, Yorkshire (West Riding), England 1921 census badge View original record Add to tree Print More actions Household members (6 people) Copy to clipboard First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer Sidney Holroyd Head Male 1886 34 Brightside, Yorkshire, England Labourer Steel Works Cammell Laird & Co Out Of Work Emma Holroyd Wife Female 1875 46 Suffolk, England Household Duties - Rosie Beasley Adopted daughter Female 1907 14 Derbyshire, England - - Ellen Holroyd Mother Female 1847 74 Yorkshire, England No Occupation - Arthur Holroyd Brother Male 1870 50 Yorkshire, England Labourer Foundry Brightside Foundry Out Of Work Arthur Broadbent Cousin Male 1884 36 Brightside, Yorkshire, England Blacksmith Striker Hadfields Ltd Steel Works Out Of Work
Emma Registration district Sheffield Last name Holroyd Registration district number 510 Sex Female Sub-district Attercliffe Birth year 1875 Sub-district number 7 Census date 19 June 1921 Enumeration district number 18 Age in years 46 County Yorkshire (West Riding) Age in months 2 Country England Age as transcribed 46 y 2 m Ward of borough or urban district Attercliffe Relationship to head Wife Parliamentary borough or division Sheffield PB, Attercliffe Div. Marital status Married Archive The National Archives Birth place Suffolk, England Archive series RG 15 Birth county Suffolk Piece number 23135 Birth country England Schedule number 118 Birth place as transcribed Bury St Edmunds Suffolk District reference RD 510 RS 7 ED 18 Occupation Household Duties Schedule type code E Place of work At Home Schedule type England household, single page, 10 entries Language used to complete form English Other household member's first name(s) Arthur, Ellen, Rosie, Sidney Person making return Halroyd Sidney Other household member's last name Broadbent, Holroyd, Beasley House number 16 Record set 1921 Census Of England & Wales Street Glave Street Category Census, land & surveys Address 16 Glave Street Subcategory Census Full address as transcribed 16 Glave St Collections from Great Britain, England Parish Sheffield
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 Aug 2023 09:00 |
Ahhhhh Place of birth incorrect on census
BEESLEY, ROSIE ALDERTON GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 870
So mmn fits
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ArgyllGran
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13 Aug 2023 08:58 |
Jackie - you mentioned a newspaper article which (if I understood correctly) said Emma didn't know if Frederick was alive or dead at the time of the Beesley marriage.
Which newspaper, and date, please?
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 Aug 2023 08:48 |
1911 census
Name Rosie Beasley Age in 1911 4 Estimated Birth Year abt 1907 Relation to Head Daughter Gender Female Birth Place Beighton, Yorkshire, England Civil parish Sheffield County/Island Yorkshire-West Riding Country England Street Address 7 Dunlop Street Registration District Number 510 Sub-registration district Attercliffe ED, institution, or vessel 04 Piece 27992 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Thomas Buckworth 37 Head Emma Beasley 38 House Keeper Rosie Beasley 4 Daughter Thomas Buckworth 64 Lodger
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 Aug 2023 08:26 |
I don’t think that Beasley marriage is correct
Emma Bride's age 33 Last name Purt Bride's marital status Spinster Marriage year 1906 Groom's father's first name(s) William Marriage date 17 Mar 1906 Groom's father's last name Beesley Marriage place Sheffield, St Philip Shalesmoor Bride's father's first name(s) Robert Spouse's first name(s) Joseph Bride's father's last name Purt Spouse's last name Beesley County Yorkshire (West Riding) Groom's first name(s) Joseph Country England Groom's last name Beesley Notes Groom & Spouse's Fathers Deceased Groom's age 47 Record set Yorkshire Marriages Groom's marital status Widower Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Bride's first name(s) Emma Subcategory Parish Marriages Bride's last name Purt Collections from England, Great Britain
So she was a spinster and dads name was Robert Purt
However in view of Rosie birth cert now found it looks like she was lying !
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13 Aug 2023 08:18 |
Marriage
Marriages Jun 1892 ALDERTON Emma Bury St. E. 4a 1105 PURT Frederick Bury St. E. 4a 1105
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 Aug 2023 08:06 |
If this is him he says he is a widower
British Army Service Records England First name(s) Frederick Residence town BURY ST EDMUNDS Last name Purt Residence county Suffolk Birth year 1871 Residence country England Birth town Bury St Edmunds Series WO 363 Birth county Suffolk Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents' Birth country England Archive The National Archives Age 48 Record set British Army Service Records Year 1919 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Service number 691288 Subcategory First World War Regiment Labour Corps Collections from Great Britain, UK None Unit / Battalion Eastern Command Labour Centre
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Also joined up in 1903
Says married and one child
Frederick Purt in 1903 British Army Service Records St Johns, Burry St Edmunds, Suffolk, England View original record Add to tree Print More actions Transcript of Frederick's record Copy to clipboard First name(s) Frederick Attestation corps Suffolk Regiment Last name Purt Discharge corps Suffolk Regiment Birth year 1868 Document type Attestation Birth parish St Johns Archive reference WO 96 Birth town Burry St Edmunds Series Wo 96 - Militia Service Records 1806-1915 Birth county Suffolk Box 250 Birth country England Box record number 343 Service number 6470 Archive The National Archives Regiment Suffolk Regiment Country England Year 1903 Record set British Army Service Records Attestation date 14 Apr 1903 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Attestation age years 35 Subcategory Regimental & Service Records Attestation service number 6470 Collections from Great Britain, England Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd Other records featuring that name (1 record)
Home address 5 chapel road .Eastgate street ,bury st edmunds Previous occ labourer
And previously
British Army Service Records St Johns, Burry St Edmunds, Suffolk, England View original record Add to tree Print More actions Transcript of Frederick's record Copy to clipboard First name(s) Frederick Attestation service number 4578 Last name Purt Attestation corps 3rd Bn Suffolk Regt Birth year 1869 Document type Attestation Birth parish St Johns Archive reference WO 96 Birth town Burry St Edmunds Series Wo 96 - Militia Service Records 1806-1915 Birth county Suffolk Box 250 Birth country England Box record number 342 Service number 4578 Archive The National Archives Regiment Suffolk Regiment Country England Year 1897 Record set British Army Service Records Attestation date 23 Mar 1897 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Attestation age years 28 Subcategory Regimental & Service Records Attestation age months 3 Collections from Great Britain, England
Married .1 child
Previous occ labourer
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Jackie
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12 Aug 2023 20:51 |
ok thank you for looking. Sorry I was a bit late in answering.
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ArgyllGran
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12 Aug 2023 20:47 |
No, I can't see him, nor his brother John, in 1921, either.
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Jackie
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12 Aug 2023 20:39 |
Yes that's right
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ArgyllGran
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12 Aug 2023 20:18 |
For our reference:
Joseph Beesley in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name Joseph Beesley Registration Year 1906 [1906] Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district Sheffield Inferred County Yorkshire West Riding Volume 9c Page 635 Records on Page (Name) Joseph Beesley Emma Purt
Fred Pert in the 1911 England Census Name Fred Pert Age in 1911 42 Estimated Birth Year abt 1869 Relation to Head Boarder Gender Male Birth Place Bury, Suffolk, England Civil parish Bury St Edmunds County/Island Suffolk Country England Street Address Plough Inn, 83 Southgate St, Bury St Eds Occupation Labourer General Registration District Number 207 Sub-registration district Bury St Edmunds ED, institution, or vessel 09 Piece 10620 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Mary Ann Loot 65 Head Albert Appel 40 Son-in-law May Appel 34 Adopted Daughter Violet Appel 5 Grand Daughter (Granddaughter) William Appel 1 Grand Son (Grandson) Harry Pettet Poulter 33 Boarder John Pert 44 Boarder Fred Pert 42 Boarder - married
Frederick Purt in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name Frederick Purt Death Age 66 Birth Date abt 1870 Registration Date Jul 1936 [Aug 1936] [Sep 1936] Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district Bury St edmunds Inferred County Suffolk Volume 4a Page 873
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