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Its """ Cater""" all the way from his birth registration to death and never moved from the area apart from being a soldier,at aged 18,,,,,,


Name Horace William Cater
Age in 1911 10
Estimated Birth Year abt 1901
Relation to Head Son
Gender Male
Birth Place London, United Kingdom
Civil parish Lewisham
County/Island London
Country England
Street Address 69 Sandhurst Road, Catford
Occupation School
Registration District Number 29
Sub-registration district Lewisham
ED, institution, or vessel 49
Piece 2798
Household Members (N

I think the son born in 1929 died in Crawley Sussex as who was possibly his wife has.

The son born in 1926 last sighting was 1965---------its possible he & his family emigrated as nothing in records is showing..........did he join his brother Stanley?

PS .Skeletons are what makes us human,,,,unearthing an unknown is facinating and shows us our families are not unique nor as unblemished as we or them have us think.......be open minded,,,.

The mention of Carter was in relation to the other man, Horace W Carter, whose name is mis-spelled as Cater on the transcription of the 1939 Register which Kay???? suggested on 27 Aug at 19:01.
That is the wrong man, and his name is clearly Carter when one looks at the image of the Register.

The man Grace married is definitely CATER.
See my post on 27 Aug at 19:50 for the correct 1939 record.

my goodness me you have all been so helpful in filling in an large gap that i had in my maternal side of the family. I have been quite successful in tracing my Paternal side back to 1800 however it was so much easier as until the early 1900's nearly all the Male line lived in a small area in Kent working as for the most part as "Farm Labourer's and thankfully as yet know further " Skeletons etc"
within the threads i noticed that it was suggested that the name " Cater "may have been error and it could be "Carter" is this something to check ? because it would be a real coincidence if this is a fact as my Mother Ann McGee Married Donald Carter in 1941 !!!!! Thanks again to all those who contributed .

there is also a son bn 1963 to Patrick and second wife,,,,,,,last sighting is 1965,

so the findings have given the poster a few avenues to follow up on,plus they have more than previously known about the goings and comings which all adds to the story....

Horace and Grace had a second son, born 1929 in Lewisham.
In 1952 and 1953 he's living with Grace in Dulwich, and in 1954 there's also an Evelyn Cater with them (possibly his wife ?? but I don't see a marriage.).

Patrick married twice, and had a son from his first marriage, born 1950.
Can't see Patrick after the second marriage, and don't see the son definitively, as it's not a unique name.

Perhaps Horace was also a bad catch?

Nellie Agnes
Knopp
1910
Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Gateshead
Gateshead
Durham,

long way from home. ;-)


Cremation Register summary
last name Cater
first names Horace William
cremation date 21 October 1971
location Lewisham

Grace is still with Horace William in 1935, at 108 Farley Road.

Grace Cater
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name Grace Cater
Electoral Date 1935
Ward or Division/Constituency Lewisham
County or Borough Lewisham, England


In 1938 and 1939 Horace William is with Nellie Agnes Knopp, at 184 Inchmery Road:

Horace William Cater
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name Horace William Cater
Electoral Date 1938
Street Address 184 Inchmery Road
Ward or Division/Constituency Lewisham
County or Borough Lewisham, England

Grace moved out between 1935 and 1938.

AG,,yes on refelction...

in 1939 a closed record.


Name Patrick H Cater
Registration Date Jul 1926
[Aug 1926]
[Sep 1926]
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district Lewisham
Inferred County London
Mother's Maiden Name Magee

Hi Petmar,

I think skeletons are good because they sometimes help us understand why things were as they were regardless,,,,,,,perhaps it was never told grandad spent a few months hard labour or like yours granmother comitted bigamy, :-D :-,,,,,now days its no big deal,,,but back then it was best swept under the carpet and not spoken of again......

I wonder why or what made Stanley and his family come to UK in 1960,,,as there didnt seem to many family members around.

Horace William Cater
in the Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
Name Horace William Cater
Register Type Cremation
Death Date 13 Oct 1971
Burial or Cremation Date 21 Oct 1971
Burial or Cremation Place Lewisham, London, England



I don't think the 1939 record for Horace, posted by Kay????, is the correct one.
(In fact, that man's name is Carter, not Cater - mistranscribed.)

I think this will be him, in Lewisham - with a different partner. I don't see a marriage:

Horace W Cater
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name Horace W Cater
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Birth Date 7 Sep 1900
Residence Date 1939
Address 184
Residence Place Lewisham, London, England
Occupation Shell Examiner
Line Number 17
Schedule Number 105
Sub Schedule Number 1
Enumeration District Aojr
Borough Lewisham
Registration district 2/27
Inferred Spouse
Nellie A Cater
Household Members (Name) Gender
Horace W Cater Male
Nellie A Cater Female - 23 Jan 1910



Nellie Agnes Cater
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name Nellie Agnes Cater
Death Age 86
Birth Date 23 Jan 1910
Registration Date Jun 1996
Registration district Lewisham
Inferred County Greater London
Register Number A59A
District and Subdistrict 2421A
Entry Number 169


Looks like Grace had moved on again, some time between 1930 and 1939.

I have read on in my threads and the newspaper reports and they say that there are always " skeletons in a cupboard" in every family and mine ihas certainly lived up to expectation.
It has been a real learning curve in everyway

Name Horace W Cater
Gender Male
Marital Status >>>>>Widowed<<<<
Birth Date 21 Dec 1862
Residence Date 1939
Address 31
Residence Place Harrow, Middlesex, England
Occupation Dept Manager of Photo Goods
Line Number 25
Schedule Number 192
Sub Schedule Number 1

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Marriages Mar 1926 (>99%)
Cater Horace W McGee Lewisham 1d 1322
McGee Grace V Cater Lewisham 1d 1322


Grace Veronica Cater
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name Grace Veronica Cater
Electoral Date 1930
Street Address 85 P568 [ 85 Keedonwood Road on image ]
Ward or Division/Constituency Lewisham
County or Borough Lewisham, England

She's with Horace William.


Grace Cater
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name Grace Cater
Death Age 60
Birth Date abt 1901
Registration Date Jul 1961 [Aug 1961] [Sep 1961]
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district London City
Inferred County London
Volume 5d
Page 95

If the court reporter in 1925 was correct, she chopped a few years off her age, saying she was 24 , instead of 28.

She also added a middle name when she married William Stock.


Grace Bridger
in the UK, Calendar of Prisoners, 1868-1929
Name Grace Bridger [alias Grace Veronica Stock]
Trial Age 24
Birth Date abt 1901
Trial Date 19 Jan 1925
Trial Place Devizes, Wiltshire, England
Charge Bigamy
Sentence 4 months

I wonder if she changed her name as Bridges or McGee or Stock/s she didnt use later on..

BIGAMY AT MINETY.
Bridger (24) pleaded guilty to bigamy, marrying William Edward Stock at Minety on July 1st last during the life of her former husband .
Mr. Thomas, prosecuting, said the prisoner told Stock she was a single woman, and it was not until October November that [he] discovered she had been previously married. A witness from Catford, London, brother-in-law, giving evidence on the prisoner behalf, said she was subjected to persistent cruelty [by] her first husband, against whom she had a separation and maintenance order. Asked if she had anything to say, prisoner said her first husband was very cruel, and ran away from her. The Judge will consider that [in] your favour, that your first husband was “bad lot,” but that does not excuse you for pretending to be single and deceiving another man. This bigamy is a serious matter, but in your case four months’ imprisonment will [be] sufficient . . . .

Published: Saturday 24 January 1925
Newspaper: Wiltshire Times and Trowbridge Advertiser
County: Wiltshire, England

Transcription is slightly garbled in places. I haven't seen the original.


YOUNG WIFE'S HUSBANDS

Bigamy Charge at Malmesbury.
I married Bridger, lived with him, and [had a ] child by him that is now six years old, was the admission made by young London woman to her second husband, when the latter accused her of being Mrs Bridger.
[In] the dock at Malmesbury Police Court yesterday stood Grace Bridger (aged 24). who surrendered to her bail on a charge of bigamy by going through the marriage ceremony with William Edward Stock, Minety Parish Church on 1st July, 1924 , her lawful husband Richard Bridger, of 72, Nelson Road, Twickenham, whom she married June, 1917, at the Registry Office, Gunnersbury. being then alive v.105., the time when he met the Brmkworth [?], whilst [in his] parents' home at Woburn Farm, Minety, Wilts that early in this year he . . . . . attended dances at the Swimming Baths, Swindon, and he there met accused.
He knew her [as] Grace McGhee (her maiden name). and she was a single woman, but did not tell him her age. They kept company until July 1st, when they were married [at] Minety Parish Church. While returning from visit to the police he met accused, and she said to him, What is the matter ? He replied, I believe you are Mrs Bridger.
Accused denied this, and asked him to go with her to his home and she would explain matters, saying that she thought some mistake had been made. He did not accompany her, but left her and went to live at Minety.
Accused went away, but returned and he then told her he could not help her. It was [a] very wet and rough night and as accused had nowhere to go, his parents accommodated her in their home where she stayed until she was arrested. Formally charged with the offence, accused, who had asked no questions, replied, I would rather wait and say what I have to say at the Assize. .
She was committed for trial Devizes January next. Bail was allowed—accused in her own recognisances in the sum £40, and one surety for the same amount.

Published: Tuesday 18 November 1924
Newspaper: Western Daily Press
County: Bristol, England

I have downloaded the newspaper article, and will try to send it to petmar via GR

Great find, Kay :-) :-) :-)

Grace who married Bridger was formerly McGee


Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%)
Magee Grace V Stock Malmesbury 5a 149 S
Stock William E Magee Malmesbury 5a 149 S

EDIT

Kay has also now added the marriage record

Kay???? Report Edit Delete 27 Aug 2023 16:03
This is a report on a Grace Bridger..credts needed to get the full report...
......
Bristol Daily Press..


18th November 1924.,


Grace Bridger surrendered herself to her bail on a charge of Bigamy,by going through with a wedding to William Edward Stock,,her lawful husband was named as Richard Bridger.....she told W Stock she wss a single woman,but her lawful husband Richard Bridges lived in Twichenham,,,,,,they married in 1917 at Gunnersbuy Registery Office,

It maybe a couple of same names and unrelated.? it is Grace Bridger foramlly Mcgee, !


it is Grace Bridge formally Mcgee...



Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%)
Magee Grace V Stock Malmesbury 5a 149 Scan available - click to view
Stock William E Magee Malmesbury 5a 149 Scan available - click to view.

also on FLR.