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ErikaH
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24 Jul 2023 15:41 |
That explains why FMP alerted me to having previously accessed the Hitchcock records...................
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ArgyllGran
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24 Jul 2023 12:45 |
Related thread started by Ann yesterday, though concentrating on Margaret's son-in-law Herbert Hitchcock.:
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1401874
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10 Jul 2023 14:29 |
MCPEAK CHARLES SIMPSON ELIZA 1864 677 / 8 COLINTON.
MCPEAK HENRY TURNBULL MARGARET 1862 685 / 4 / 29 ST GILES.
SP marriages.
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ArgyllGran
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10 Jul 2023 09:32 |
I don't really know anything about DNA tests, but I expect it would help if the "fellow genes member who is connected in her tree to Margaret T Simpson 1887 " had also done one.
Margaret is in the GR trees of at least two women - Ann and Elizabeth. Are you in contact with both of them, Brian?
She's also in 5 trees on Ancestry - listed as McPeak or McPeake One gives her parents as Henry and Margaret, four say John and Elizabeth.
As always with trees, varying amounts of research have been done, with varying accuracy.
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nameslessone
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10 Jul 2023 09:11 |
Thank you for coming back about the dna. Maybe it is now worth giving it a go. Ancestry have a sale on at the moment. It may not prove anything - but you never know.
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Brian
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9 Jul 2023 22:30 |
I should add that I have full access to the other persons tree and they regularly update me with information Brian
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 22:07 |
Odds are that there is NO link other than lasting friendship, and the adoption of the motherless child
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Brian
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9 Jul 2023 21:34 |
Thanks to all who have responded so far. I have not had a DNA test as has been asked. To clear things up a bit I add the following. The McPeak side is in my own tree and has been extensively researched through census and Scottish People with many records saved. I can go back to Bernard McPeak 1805 -his wife Elizabeth Duncan and her parents . I can follow Bernard's children etc forward mostly to 1901 census. The brother Charles who married an Elizabeth Simpson - I have got her parents etc as well. I was contacted by a fellow genes member who is connected in her tree to Margaret T Simpson 1887 (who Bernard McPeak adopted ) and we are trying to find out if the two trees are connected. I put the question on the boards in the hope that someone might come up with an answer. There is the somewhat vain hope that the answer is staring us in the face but we are not seeing it.!!! Again thanks to everyone who has replied so far.
Brian
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nameslessone
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9 Jul 2023 20:08 |
Hopefully Brian will come back soon and answer the question regarding a dna test.
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ArgyllGran
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9 Jul 2023 18:30 |
I can't suggest why the two families were so friendly -
They didn't live in the same streets, or share occupations. Even their fathers didn't share occupations - tailor, hammerman, gardener, and cabinet-maker.
In 1861, John and Elizabeth were both living in Fountain Close, High Street. Henry was in East Crosscauseway, and Margaret in Wharton Lane, which I expect was where Wharton Square is now. They're all within about half a mile of each other - but several streets apart.
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 18:15 |
Sorry, lost my post - just had a violent storm which affected the system
I was suggesting that the links were purely down to the various marriages.................and one didn't have to be a blood relation to do the charitable thing and take in a wee child whose mother had died.
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ArgyllGran
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9 Jul 2023 18:12 |
Henry McPeak's mother's maiden surname was Duncan. Elizabeth Henderson mother was Riva. John Simpson's mother (per his marriage cert) was Davidson. Margaret Turnbull's mother (per marriage cert) was Dickson.
As Brian says, no obvious link among any of them.
The McPeak and Simpson families must have been at least very good friends from at least the time the two couples married, to have given their various surnames as middle names to several children, and for the McPeaks to have taken in young Margaret after her mother died (I agree with ErikaH's suggestion)..
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 18:07 |
MCPEAK CHARLES BERNARD MCPEAK / BRIDGET DUNCAN MALE 24/1/1842 6/2/1842 EDINBURGH, ST MARY'S CATHEDRAL
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 17:59 |
Name Eliza Simpson Gender Female Marriage Date 3 Jun 1864 Marriage Place Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland Spouse Charles McPeak
If you get the cert from SP..........for a few credits, you will learn parents' names.
Name Eliza Simpson McPeak Death Age 73 Birth Date 24 May 1824 Death Date 8 Nov 1897 Death Place Port Chalmers, Dunedin Cemetery Northern Burial Place Port Chalmers, Otago, Dunedin Spouse Charles McPeak
Name Charles McPeak Gender Male Birth Date 1842 Birth Place Scotland Death Date 20 Jul 1919 Death Place Dunedin City, Otago, New Zealand Cemetery Northern Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place Dunedin, Dunedin City, Otago, New Zealand Spouse Eliza Simpson McPeak
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Free Church School, Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland John Simpson Head Widower Male 25 1836 Tailor & clothier Carnwath, Lanarkshire, Scotland John E A Simpson Son Unmarried Male 1 1860 Son Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland Eliza Simpson Sister Unmarried Female 34 1827 House keeper Carnwath, Lanarkshire, Scotland Jessie Orr Visitor Unmarried Female 4 1857 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Robert Dawson Boarder Unmarried Male 22 1839 Journeyman tailor St Cuthbert's, Midlothian, Scotland Charles McPeak Boarder Unmarried Male 19 1842 Journeyman tailor Canongate, Midlothian, Scotland
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Lower Village, Corstorphine, Midlothian, Scotland Charles McPeak Head Married Male 29 1842 Tailor Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Eliza McPeak Wife Married Female 38 1833 - Lanarkshire, Scotland John Simpson McPeak Son - Male 5 1866 Scholar Corstorphine, Midlothian, Scotland James Limeburner Orr Nephew Unmarried Male 15 1856 Tailor Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 17:54 |
Name Elizabeth Duncan Gender Female Burial Age 75 Birth Date abt 1803 Residence Date May 1878 Death Date 20 1878 Burial Date 22 May 1878 Burial Place Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Cemetery Colinton Parish Colinton Spouse Bernard McPeak
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 17:46 |
1851 Name Margaret Furnbull [Turnbull] Age 8 Estimated Birth Year abt 1843 Relationship Daughter Father Alexander Furnbull Mother Elizabeth Furnbull Gender Female Where born Edinburgh, Midlothian Parish Number 685/2 Civil parish Edinburgh St Cuthberts County Midlothian Address Roy's Court ED 56 Page 3 Household schedule number 16 Line 11 Roll CSSCT1851_183 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Alexander Furnbull 39 Head Elizabeth Furnbull 37 Wife......nee Dickson Margaret Furnbull 8 Daughter
Name Elizabeth Dickson Gender Female Marriage Date 8 Jan 1838 Marriage Place Edinburgh, Edinburghshire, Scotland, United Kingdom Father Adam Dickson Spouse Alexander Turnbull.........father not named
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ArgyllGran
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9 Jul 2023 17:46 |
Henry McPeak seems to have been born Bernard, and his mother's name was Duncan - so no blood link there:
MCPEAK BERNARD BERNARD MCPEAK / ELISABETH DUNCAN Male 10/3/1840 (Birth) 29/3/1840 (Baptism) Edinburgh, St Mary's Cathedral
Bernard Mcpeck in the 1841 Scotland Census Name Bernard Mcpeck Age 1 3 Mo Estimated Birth Year abt 1840 Gender Male Where born Midlothian, Scotland Civil parish Edinburgh Old Church County Midlothian Address Jollya Land Parish Number 685/1 Household Members (Name) Age Barney Mcpeck 36 Elizabeth Mcpeck 38 Wm Mcpeck 12 Bernard Mcpeck 1 3 Mo Catherine Mcgrath 10 Elizabeth Mcgrath 8
Bernard Peak in the 1851 Scotland Census Name Bernard Peak Age 11 Estimated Birth Year abt 1840 Relationship Brother Mother Elisabeth Peak Gender Male Where born Edinr, Midlothian Parish Number 685/1 Civil parish Edinburgh Old Church County Midlothian Address Milnes Close Occupation Scholar ED 2 Page 2 Household schedule number 8 Line 20 Roll CSSCT1851_178 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Thomas Mc Garth 21 Head Ann McGarth 21 Wife Elisabeth Peak 48 Mother Bernard Peak 11 Brother Charels Peak 9 Brother
Henry Mcpeak in the 1861 Scotland Census Name Henry Mcpeak Age 21 Estimated Birth Year abt 1840 Relationship Son Mother's Name Elizabeth Mcpeak Gender Male Where born Canongate, edinr Registration Number 685/5 Registration district Newington Civil parish Edinburgh St Cuthberts County Midlothian Address 68 East Cross Causeway Occupation Brass Finisher ED 50 Household schedule number 58 Line 5 Roll CSSCT1861_129 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Elizabeth Mcpeak 57 Head Henry Mcpeak 21 Son William Allen 21 Boarder
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 17:43 |
Name Henry McPeak Gender Male Marriage Date 14 Jan 1862 Marriage Place Edinburgh, Edinburghshire, Scotland, United Kingdom Spouse Margret Turnbull
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 17:12 |
HENDERSON ELIZABETH 45 REEVIE F 1889 685 / 3 / 683 CANONGATE
SIMPSON ELIZABETH 45 REEVIE F 1889 685 / 3 / 683 CANONGATE
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ArgyllGran
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9 Jul 2023 17:12 |
[Following on from my last post, re Ann Riva ]
Also a daughter Isabella:
MCPEAK ISABELLA HENDER[son] mmn TURNBULL F 1877 685 / 3 / 945 Canongate
And Johan McPeaks' middle name was Simpson:
MCPEAK JOHAN SIMPSON mmn TURNBULL F 1881 685 / 3 / 829 Canongate
Isabella died in infancy:
MCPEAK ISABELLA HENDER[son] 1 TURNBULL F 1878 685 / 3 / 801 Canongate
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