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6 Jul 2023 13:41 |
Have pm'd Patricia to see if any of this information is useful and asked her to reply here.
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5 Jul 2023 13:22 |
Rose Anna Sutherland
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name Rose Anna Sutherland [Rose Sutherland] Death Date 7 Feb 1962 Death Place Norfolk, England Probate Date 2 Jan 1963 Probate Registry Norwich
of Sutherland House, she died at Bethel Hospital. Probate to Derrick Barnes Sutherland radio engineer and Betty Rose Chestney married woman. Effects £17253 9s 8d.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk
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5 Jul 2023 13:05 |
Lots in the newspapers about Elijah Sutherland. He died 11 Aug 1914. He moved to Brancaster as a young man, started a brewery and ended up supplying most of the pubs. He owned half of Brancaster and other properties at the time of his death. His first marriage produced no issue but he had a son with Rose, his second wife. He was a man of money and influence but ended up in front of magistrates quite a few times. Even after his death, there is a big 3 column case in the papers where Rose is being sued and has to be removed from court by Charles Barnes at the end before she attacks the accuser!
Thetford & Watton Times 29 January 1916
This is about a cottage rented out by Elijah but which never had any repairs done. There is much more to the story but Charles Barnes is mentioned as "appearing on the scene" in March 1915. Originally a round-abouts proprietor who seemed "to have got into touch with Mr Sutherland's estate. Mr Sutherland had died in the meanwhile and he seemed to have the greatest influence on those who now enjoyed the estate."
Elijah died Aug 1914.
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5 Jul 2023 12:41 |
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census The Green, Brancaster, Docking, Norfolk, England View original record Household members (10 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Henry Loose Head Married Male 43 1848 Fisherman Brancaster, Norfolk, England Christina A Loose Wife Married Female 44 1847 - Burnham Market, Norfolk, England Emily Loose Daughter Single Female 14 1877 - Brancaster, Norfolk, England John Loose Son Single Male 12 1879 Scholar Brancaster, Norfolk, England Henry Loose Son Single Male 10 1881 Scholar Brancaster, Norfolk, England Rose A Loose Daughter Single Female 7 1884 Scholar Brancaster, Norfolk, England Arthur Loose Son Single Male 6 1885 Scholar Brancaster, Norfolk, England Ernest Loose Son Single Male 5 1886 Scholar Brancaster, Norfolk, England Barnard Loose Son Single Male 2 1889 Scholar Brancaster, Norfolk, England Ethel Loose Daughter Single Female 0 1891 - Brancaster, Norfolk, England
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5 Jul 2023 12:25 |
Now this is a very interesting article primarily about Charles Frederick Barnes. If you scroll down to the bottom, Rose is mentioned and also her second marriage to Charles 8 Mar 1920 in Bermonsey. She was a very wealthy widow by this time, not bad for a fisherman's daughter!
"This was the second marriage too for Rose Loose, a fisherman's daughter from Brancaster who on May 4th 1912 had married 86 year old Elijah Sutherland, also of Brancaster....... of independant means. When he died on August 11th 1914, he left an estate valued at £30,428-0/-5d! "
https://www.standrewsgreatryburgh.org.uk/who-was-charlie-barnes.php
EDIT Here is the marriage.
Marriages Mar 1920 (>99%) Curtis Margaret Smith St. Olave 1d 316 Scan available - click to view Smith Henry T Curtis St.Olave 1d 316 Scan available - click to view >>Sutherland Charles F B Sutherland St. Olave 1d 316 Scan available - click to view >>Sutherland Rose Sutherland St. Olave 1d 316
"Two years later, in the second quarter of 1897 Charles Barnes aged around 25 married 59 year old widow, Mary Ann Baker and they continued in the showman/amusement business until Mary's death in 1919. She was buried at Ryburgh on October 16th that year."
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4 Jul 2023 17:53 |
Derrick Barnes Sutherland in the Norfolk, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1922 Name Derrick Barnes Sutherland Baptism Age 2 Birth Date 14 Mar 1918 Baptism Date 23 Jan 1921 Baptism Place Brancaster, England Father Charles Frederick Barnes Sutherland , property owner Mother Rose Barnes Sutherland
Derrick Barnes Sutherland in the UK, World War II Allied Prisoners of War, 1939-1945 Name Derrick Barnes Sutherland Rank Sergeant Army Birth Date 14 Mar 1918 Birth Place Brancaster Norfolk Military Date 1939-1945 Regiment 5 R. Norfolk Regt Service Number 5773876 Father Dennis [ scored through in red ] Mother Rose Wife: Mrs D Sutherland, Mill House, Brancaster. Description 50: Japanese Index Cards of Allied Prisoners of War and Internees, World War II: Stonham-Taylor F
Derrick Barnes Sutherland in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Derrick Barnes Sutherland Death Age: 85 Birth Date: 14 Mar 1918 Registration Date: Dec 2003 Registration District: Merton Inferred County: Surrey Register Number: B49 District and Subdistrict: 244/1 Entry Number: 121
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4 Jul 2023 17:41 |
Herbert Elijah Sutherland in the UK and Ireland, Find a Grave® Index, 1300s-Current Name Herbert Elijah Sutherland Gender Male Birth Date 1914 Birth Place Brancaster, Kings Lynn and West Norfolk Borough, Norfolk, England Death Date 27 Sep 1943 Death Place Beirut, Bayrut, Lebanon Cemetery Brancaster Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place Brancaster, Kings Lynn and West Norfolk Borough, Norfolk, England
HERBERT ELIJAH SUTHERLAND Lance Bombardier Service Number: 1083325 154 (The Leicestershire Yeomanry) Field Regt. Royal Artillery United Kingdom Died 27 September 1943 29 years old BEIRUT WAR CEMETERY 3. A. 6. Lebanese Republic
Husband of Lucy Mary Sutherland, of Brancaster, Norfolk. DEEP IN OUR HEARTS HE IS LIVING YET, WE LOVED HIM TOO DEARLY TO EVER FORGET
Lance Bombardier Herbert Elijah Sutherland Birth 1914 Brancaster, Kings Lynn and West Norfolk Borough, Norfolk, England Death 27 Sep 1943 (aged 28–29) Beirut, Bayrut, Lebanon Burial Beirut War Cemetery Beirut, Bayrut, Lebanon Plot 3. A. 6. Memorial ID 22731295
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4 Jul 2023 17:39 |
SUTHERLAND, CHARLES FREDERICK BARNES 61 GRO Reference: 1932 J Quarter in ROMFORD Volume 04A Page 400
Charles Frederick Barnes Sutherland in the Norfolk, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1995 Name Charles Frederick Barnes Sutherland Death Age 61 Birth Date abt 1871 Death Date abt 1932 Burial Date 9 Apr 1932 Burial Place Brancaster, England
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4 Jul 2023 17:28 |
Deaths Mar 1962 SUTHERLAND Rosanna 79 Norwich 4b 809
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4 Jul 2023 15:14 |
??????? Rose Cemetery Brancaster Cemetery Last name Sutherland Place Brancaster Birth year 1883 Record set Norfolk, Churchyard Graves And Memorial Transcriptions Age 79 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Death year 1962 Subcategory Parish Burials Death date 07 Feb 1962
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Southend House, Brancaster, Docking R.D., Norfolk, England 1939 register badge View original record Household members (5 people) First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number Rose (A) Sutherland 22 Mar 1882 Female Estate Owner Indep Married 86 1 Betty (R) Chestney (Sutherland) 28 Jan 1924 Female At School Single 86 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
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4 Jul 2023 14:09 |
1939 Rose A widow and daughter Betty, and closed records. Southend House, Brancaster, Docking R.D., Norfolk,
Births Mar 1924 (>99%) Barnes-Sutherland Betty R Loose Rochford 4a 1213 Sutherland Betty R Loose Rochford 4a 1213
That the birth was reg in both surnames suggests the parents didn't marry.
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4 Jul 2023 14:03 |
For ref the child Derrick as Barnes
Births Mar 1918 (>99%) Barnes Derrick S Loose Nottingham 7b 554
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4 Jul 2023 14:00 |
Not seeing a second marriage?
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1921 Census Of England & Wales Kursaal Ground, Southend-On-Sea, Southend on Sea, Essex, England
Charles Frederick Barnes Sutherland Head Male 1873 47 Holt, Norfolk, England Amusement Caterer Employer Rose Sutherland Wife Female 1882 39 Brancaster, Norfolk, England Home Duties - Herbert Elezah Sutherland Son Male 1914 7 Brancaster, - Derrick Barnes Sutherland Son Male 1918 3 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire,
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4 Jul 2023 13:47 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census The Green, Brancaster Staith, Brancaster, Docking, Norfolk, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Henry Loose Head Married Male 57 1844 Fisherman Brancaster Staithe, Norfolk, England Christiena Loose Wife Married Female 54 1847 - Burnham Market, Norfolk, England Rose Loose Daughter Single Female 17 1884 - Brancaster Staithe, Norfolk, England Arthur Loose Son Single Male 16 1885 - Brancaster Staithe, Norfolk, England Ernest Loose Son Single Male 15 1886 - Brancaster Staithe, Norfolk, England Bernard Loose Son Single Male 12 1889 - Brancaster Staithe, Norfolk, England Ethel Loose Daughter - Female 10 1891 - Brancaster Staithe, Norfolk, England Florence Loose Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Brancaster Staithe, Norfolk, England
baptism to henry and Christiana https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS%2FNORFOLK%2FBAP%2F300930438
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4 Jul 2023 13:45 |
1911 census 1911 Census For England & Wales London Street the Rest, Brancaster, Norfolk, England
Elijah Southerland Head Widower Male 75 1836 Gentleman - Rose Loose - Single Female 28 1883 Housekeeper -
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4 Jul 2023 13:42 |
For ref she married as Rose 1912 to Elijah Sunderland ( misheard or misread?)
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD%2FM%2F1912%2F2%2FAZ%2F000585%2F085
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Patricia
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4 Jul 2023 13:11 |
Has anyone any information on Rosanna Loose …married Elijah Southerland also born in Brancaster. She also on her husband Elijahs death, married Charles Barns. They then changed the surname to Barns Southerland. I do hope that someone can help with finding these people. Thank you. Patricia
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