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Hello Community
Please could you help me find Emma on the 1861 census.
Here is a poser, if you fancy looking into it for me.
1851 Emma 22 is a strawplaiter living with her Father John at Mentmore, also her son Frederick 8 months old.
In fact here is another poser who exactly was Fredericks Father??
However by 1861 Emma 32 (no Jane) appears to be a Ladys Maid in Brome Suffolk, and claims to be from London?? I suspect that I have the wrong Emma? I can find no other Emma or Emma Jane in 1861
that seem relevant so where was she??
1871 Emma Jane now 42 and back living at Mentmore with sister Amelia 24, and neither seems to be working.
1881 Emma Jane 52 now living at Water Lane Mentmore and back to claiming to be a Strawplaiter with widowed sister Mary Ann Mercy nee Willis 36 and Mary Anns son Francis J Mercy 5
1891 Emma Jane 62 now living in London as a servant to police sargeant Benjamin Fountain.
1901 Emma J 72 living at 35 Villiers Road New Bushey with her younger sister Zilpha
1901 Emma Jane 80 deceased near Thame
which is near Aylesbury, which is where her younger Brother Abraham lived.
I have tried the 1861 census in Scotland and she is not on it.
SO WHERE WAS SHE REALLY IN 1861
I would be much obliged and very grateful if you could solve this mystery. Best Regards, Ann

Where was her son in 1861?

You stand very little chance of identifying his father - unless he is named on the child’s baptism record

Was the child’s birth registered? Have you a copy of the cert?

Parts of 1861 have not survived…….also, people sometimes simply weren’t recorded.

Pasting Ann's post from her other thread to keep everything together:


Hello again Community,
It just dawned on me that I forgot to give some info re who
Emmas son i.e. Frederick Willis - i.e. who his Father might be.
Emma remained single all her life.
And on Fredericks christening there is only Emma mentioned - no Father
However, on Fredericks marriage cert in 1875 Frederick
claims that his Father is a Robert Willis??
I think perhaps that Frederick just dreamt up a name,
but perhaps that is a tad ungracious - because on other info that I have I see that Joseph Willis (Emma Janes grandfather) had a son called Robert Willis, so an uncle to Emma, great uncle to Frederick, but maybe I am reading too much into it. Again I would be much obliged for your help. Best regards Ann

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1401688

The Emma Willis whom you found in 1861 in Brome, Suffolk, is not the right woman.

Brome is in Hartismere reg district.

That Emma married David Bardwell in Hartismere district in 1866.

Here she is in 1871:

Emma Bardwell
in the 1871 England Census
Name Emma Bardwell
Age 42
Estimated Birth Year 1829
Relation Wife
Gender Female
Where born London England
Civil parish Ipswich St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish Norwich
Town Ipswich
County/Island Suffolk
Country England
Registration district Ipswich
Sub-registration district St Margaret
ED, institution, or vessel 5
Household schedule number 88
Piece 1755
Folio 77
Page number 15
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
David Bardwell 41 Head
Emma Bardwell 42 Wife
Fredc Bardwell 3 Son

The son Frederick Willis is no help in 1861, as he's with his grandfather and aunt:

John Willis
in the 1861 England Census
Name John Willis
Gender Male
Age 56
Relation Head
Estimated Birth Year 1805
Where born Mentmore, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil parish Mentmore
County/Island Buckinghamshire
Country England
Registration district Leighton Buzzard
Sub-registration district Wing
ED, institution, or vessel 5
Neighbors
Household schedule number 26
Piece 1007
Folio 66
Page number 5
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Willis 56 Head
Amelia Willis 14 Daughter
Frederick Willis 10 Grandson

Ann
Please delete your other post................

Emma is in the infirmary in 1861. Her age is shown as 32 on image and she is a straw platter.

E W
in the 1861 England Census


Name E W
Gender Female
Age 22
Relation Patient
Estimated Birth Year 1839
Where born Mentmore, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil parish Aylesbury
Ecclesiastical parish Aylesbury
Town Aylesbury
County/Island Buckinghamshire
Country England
Registration district Aylesbury
Sub-registration district Aylesbury
ED, institution, or vessel 3
Neighbors View others on page
Household schedule number 155
Piece 865
Folio 61
Page number 29