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That’s interesting, a boarder aged 5. I wonder if he is related to the wife Eliza?

Thank you for this, probably why I couldn’t find him!

I shall put my detective hat on and delve.

You really are a star.

Best wishes
Caroline

Until 1875, there were no penalties for not registering births…….bear that in mind

Also, people didn’t always actually marry, despite implying that they had……

Harry might just be an illegitimate or otherwise unwanted child (or orphaned) farmed out to the Pointers - not necessarily any relation - and as ErikaH says, his birth may not have been registered.

Looking at Eliza Pointer in the 1871 census:

her marriage:

Marriages Mar 1864 (>99%)
Goble Eliza Maidstone 2a 617
Pointer Richard Maidstone 2a 617

Richard's mother and siblings are living next door in 1871:

Mary Ann Pointer
in the 1871 England Census
Name Mary Ann Pointer
Age 56
Estimated Birth Year 1815
Relation Head
Gender Female
Where born Sudeley Kent England [ Tudeley ]
Civil parish Nettlestead
Ecclesiastical parish St Mary the Virgin
Town Bow
County/Island Kent
Country England
Registration district Maidstone
Sub-registration district Yalding
ED, institution, or vessel 10
Household schedule number 28
Piece 937
Folio 131
Page number 6
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Mary Ann Pointer 56 Head
Sarah Ann Pointer 22 Daughter
Catharine Pointer 18 Daughter
Henry Maidstone 25 Boarder



Eliza herself was illegitimate:

Eliza Goble
in the England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980
Name Eliza Goble
Gender Female
Christening Date 24 Jun 1832
Christening Place Yalding, Kent, England
Mother Elinor Goble


Elizabeth Goble
in the 1841 England Census
Name Elizabeth Goble
Age 7
Estimated Birth Year abt 1834
Gender Female
Where born Kent, England
Civil parish Yalding
Hundred Twyford
County/Island Kent
Country England
Registration district Maidstone
Sub-registration district Yalding
Neighbors
Piece 464
Book 9
Folio 7
Page number 6
Household Members (Name) Age
Ellinor Goble 40
John Goble 12
Elizabeth Goble 7

Eliza's brother John married Esther Reeves Cheesman in Malling in 1853.

His baptism:

John Goble
Vital • England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name John Goble
Sex Male
Mother's Name Eleanor Goble
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Christening
Event Date 6 Apr 1828
Event Place Yalding, Kent, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) Yalding, Kent, England


In 1851 John was a journeyman wheelwright, lodging in Yaldon.
Can't see Eliza in 1851 .


I suspect Harry was not related to the Pointers.

Possible death of Elinor ????

GOBLE, ELEANOR 49
GRO Reference: 1844 D Quarter in MAIDSTONE Volume 05 Page 256

No, I think you're right. I spent an age last night looking to see if Eliza MIGHT have been a Baldock before marriage or if there was any other connection to the Baldocks but I can find nothing. Poor little Harry.

Harry had a dreadful life. I dont believe he and Julia were married and I think she may have deserted him prior to her death in 1910.

Harry and the 2 daughters were in and out of the workhouse with Harry passing away in 1911 leaving the girls on their own. Nanny Flo was 14, her elder sister Lydia was in an "opthalmoc School" so she was on her own. Probably why she was such a tough lady.

I didnt know you could get away with non registration of birth either so thanks for that too.

Again, very grateful. Its hard doing this on your own, there is no one left alive who would have any knowledge as Nanny Flos eldest daughter Peggy & eldest son Terry have both passed. Makes me even more grateful for this wonderful community, everyone is always so kind and willing. Sending virtual hugs in thanks!!