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yes Thankyou, that was probably it. Or maybe he and his wife split and he went away to move on. :-(

I expect he went for the sake of work, possibly seasonal at the hotel.

Thankyou. got the death certificate and he didn't die in prison but was working as a porter in a hotel. No Idea why he was in isle of man. But he didn't die in prison. He had diabetes. His dad John was there at the time so he may have been poorly in hosputal for a time.
Thanks for all the helpful info :-)

Additional info re death registration

Registration District: Douglas
Volume 373
Page number 2821

yes, just been looking, it would have been the one on douglas. I'll discover once I've got the certificate where he was staying anyway :-)
Thanks again for all the help folks :-D

The one who died in Bradford in 1987 had no second forename, and his probable birth was given to you on page one

To find where on the Isle of Man the prison is……google

does anyone know where the prisons are on the isle of man and would it be normal to imprison there someone from the UK? :-(

thanks for that I've sent for the certificate. I wonder how he got back to the UK, would it be aboard ship? I did hear rumour he was in prison in the isle of man but may be wrong about that one too. I'll maybe find out once the certificate comes.
Thanks again :-)

funny thing is, I can only find one Francis sanders born in 1914 in Bradford. Have I got that wrong? :-(

Info here about getting Isle of Man certificates:

https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Isle_of_Man_Civil_Registration


Findagrave website says the date 19 Sept 1945 was the date of burial - not the date of death.

Louisa Sanders

Birth
unknown
Death
15 Dec 1947
Burial
Southern Cemetery
Chorlton-Cum-Hardy, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester, England
Plot
>>SConsecrated 588
Memorial ID
157023279 · View Source

This is the one who died in 1987, wrong date of birth.

Name: Francis Sanders
Death Age: 72
Birth Date: 9 Mar 1914
Registration Date: Jan 1987
Registration District: Bradford
Inferred County: West Yorkshire
Volume: 4
Page: 118


His birth?

Name: Francis Sanders
Registration Date: 1914
Quarter of the Year: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Place: Bradford, Yorkshire West Riding,
Mother: Scully
Volume: 9b
Page: 229


Your Francis was born 31 Jan 1914 according to the 1939 register posted above.

I'm confused now. Soneone else has found a death for a Francis William sanders in 1987 in Bradford. He was the one born in March 1914.. So we're there two Francis William sanders? I'm now very confused :-(

strange that Francis William sanders was on the census of 1921 twice at two different houses. Was that common for thst in 1921
so do you think the body was brought back to Manchester and buried there. .

thanks so much for finding the death of Francis. Alice was only 16 when they married and Francis was only 18 so very young. The child Sheila kathleen sadly died aged around five years old I think after a fall which must have been traumatic :-)

so I guess Alice was told that Francis William sanders had died in 1945 so that's why she did not marry Anthony ward until 1947 Despite having a child with him in 1941. Is it possible to get death certificate from Isle of man easily enough? :-)

oh wow thanks for all this. I'll find out if the second marriage cert is available. I know Alice had a child leonard sanders but then ch nged to leonard ward in 1941 in Hemsworth. So we think Anthony is the father and it actually says so on the second birth cert. When we applied for the first one under the name leonard sanders they were told it was cancelled :-(

Death in I.O.M. Posted at 14.29

??

Francis William Sanders
in the UK and Ireland, Find a Grave® Index, 1300s-Current
Name Francis William Sanders
Death Date 19 Sep 1945
Cemetery Southern Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Chorlton-Cum-Hardy, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester, England

This man didn't die in England , Scotland or Wales, and isn't on the CWGC website.


>>> Kathleen Sanders is buried in the same plot (No. SConsecrated 588) :

Kathleen Sanders
Birth
unknown
Death
4 Dec 1915
Burial
Southern Cemetery
Chorlton-Cum-Hardy, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester, England
Plot SConsecrated 588
Memorial ID 156411547

Deaths Dec 1915 (>99%)
Sanders Kathleen 23 Chorlton 8c 1158

Granny must have been confused in 1921.......................saying Father dead, rather than Mother


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
9, Frenchwood Street, Preston, Lancashire, England
Francis J Sanders Head Married Male 39 1862 Gardener Cullompton, Devon, England
Louisa Sanders Wife Married Female 34 1867 - Lytham, Lancashire, England
Eva A Sanders Daughter - Female 12 1889 - Lytham, Lancashire, England
John Sanders Son - Male 11 1890 - Lytham, Lancashire, England
Nancy Simpson Boarder Single Female 24 1877 Mantle sales woman Aylestone, Leicestershire, England