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alviegal you are amazing

Thank you so much.
That is fantastic.
I hope Herbert changed his ways.

LIVING AS A PRACTISED SWINDLER. Herbert Philip Watkins. 25. gardener, pleaded guilty to obtaining a quantity of food by fake pretences of Thomas George Clements at Chelmsford—Mr. Warburton, who was for the prosecution, explained that the prisoner went to lodge at the Royal Oak lnn. Chelmsford, obtained several meals for which he paid nothing. Be represented to Mr. Clements that he was a member of the firm of Watkins and Co., nurserymen, Southend, that he had bought some land at Springfield, and that his father had money. It was ascertained that the prisoner was not a member of the firm named, that his father was dead, and that he had not bought land at Springfield. Learned council also stated that prisoner had also committed several other paltry frauds— Serg. Marden deposed that the prisoner was at Southend for about a month, and during that period he obtained small sums of money from about a dozen persons by various representations, and also failed to pay the woman with whom he lodging.—Another police officer stated that the prisoner’s father kept a commercial hotel at Hemel Hempstead for 30 years but died in 1893. Since then the prisoner had no fixed abode, and no employment.—The Chairman, in sentencing the prisoner to six months' hard labour, said it was evident he had lately been living the life of a practiced swindler.
01 December 1898 - Evening Star - Ipswich, Suffolk, England

His middle name changes lots of time from Philip to John as well

yes I did and when i looked at the marriage between him and Sarah Cossett his surname is WILSON. I wonder if he changed it when he came out of jail and moved away

First name(s) Sarah
Last name Crossett
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1901
Registration month -
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Sarah Crossett married one of these people
Joseph Price, Herbert John Wilson
District Pontefract
District number -
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9C
Volume as transcribed 9C
Page number 158
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Great Britain, England

Didn't you notice the criminal conviction?

sorry ErikaH i did mean Watkins

It seems strange that all his brothers and sisters are Watkins and thats what they are known as,
Herbert was registered as a Watkins but changed it somewhere along the line to Watkins-Wilson ???

WATKINS, HERBERT PHILLIP THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in HEMEL HEMPSTED Volume 03A Page 427

Name Herbert Philip Watkins
Gender Male
Baptism Date 29 Nov 1874
Baptism Place Hemel Hempstead,Hertford,England
Father Thomas Maurice Watkins
Mother Ann


Name Herbert Philip Watkins
Trial Age 25
Birth Date abt 1873
Trial Date 30 Nov 1898
Trial Place Chelmsford, Essex, England
Occupation Gardener
Charge False pretenses
Sentence 6 calendar months.......with hard labour

Posting what I find.........in case it leads anywhere

Name Thomas Maurice Watkins
Gender Male
Marriage Age Full Age
Marriage Date 12 Nov 1881
Marriage Place St Martin-In-The-Fields, London, Westminster, England
Father James Watkins
Spouse Jestina Thomas
Father John Thomas

Don't you mean Watkins?

As to 'why'............anyone's guess, I'm afraid.

Not in Sarah's immediate family

CROSSETT, SARAH HALL
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in ASHTON UNDER LYNE Volume 08D Page 556

Can't find any connection between the Surnames Wilkin and Wilson ? Anyone any ideas ?

found him in 1911 again it says birth place as wales ?

Herbert John Watkins Watkins-wilson
Age in 1911: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Llanbadarm, Radnorshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Crofton
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: New Crofton Wakefield
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Furniture Agent Traveller
Registration District Number: 504
Sub-registration District: Sandal
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 27368
Household Members:
Name Age
Herbert John Watkins Watkins-wilson 36
Jeotina Watkins-wilson 9
Joseph Maurice Watkins-wilson 8
Kenneth Watkins-wilson 6

WILSON, GESTINA WATKINS
CROSSETT
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in PONTEFRACT Volume 09C Page 125
Mothers maiden name Crossett so that is the right one thank you ErikaH

Census records only show relationship of household members to HEAD of household.

ErikaH

Thank you so much

Herbert was born in Hemel Hempstead ?

Births Jun 1902 (>99%)
WILSON Gestina Watkins Pontefract 9c 125

Jestina in 1921

Helps to know qtr of marriage

Marriages Mar 1901 (>99%)
Crossett Sarah Pontefract 9c 158
WILSON Herbert John Pontefract 9c 158


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
17, Stuart Street, Pontefract, Tanshelf, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
George H Thomas Head Married Male 28 1873 Coal hewer Brymbo, Denbighshire, Wales
Edith Thomas Wife Married Female 24 1877 - Wales
Millicent Thomas Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - Wigan, Lancashire, England
Herbert J Wilson Boarder Married Male 27 1874 Coal hewer Glamorganshire, Wales
Sarah Wilson Boarder Married Female 19 1882 - Lancashire, England
Edith J Thomas Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - Wigan, Lancashire, England

For INFO for anyone looking in 1911

Births Sep 1910 (>99%)
WATKINS-WILSON Rhoda Wakefield 9c 16