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Shirley
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19 Mar 2023 10:10 |
Hi — Anyone know of this 'William'? Second son of Elizabeth. Chaffe & James Willis. Siblings: James 1867, Alfred 1874, Florence 1876, and John 1881. Disappears by 1881 census with no trace of early death.
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nameslessone
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19 Mar 2023 10:30 |
No one is going to ‘know of this William’
What you are actually asking is for someone to look into his whereabouts. Have you tried looking to see if someone has them on their tree via the Search/ allmembers trees button. Living in Plymouth have you considered that he might have joined the Navy, although I,m not sure they would have taken boys quite that young.
Added: there is a William Willis born 1870 Plymouth in the 1901& 1911 census living with his wife, Mary, in Plymouth.
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greyghost
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19 Mar 2023 10:59 |
Are you wanting help to find William
Your family 1871 ? - for our info
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Cattedown, Charles, Plymouth, Devon, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Willis Head - Male 29 1842 - - Elizabeth Willis Wife - Female 22 1849 - Devon, England James Henry Willis Son - Male 3 1868 - Devon, England William Willis Son - Male 1 1870 - Devon, England Emma Willmott Chaffe Servant - Female 19 1852 - Devon, England Bessie Chaffe Child nurse - Female 0 1871 - Devon, England
James a Quarryman and Elizabeth both b Yealmpton Children b Cattledown
? William's birth - unable to open GRO site at present to check mmn - anyone else having a problem? Births Mar 1870 (>99%) WILLIS William Plymouth 5b 259
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greyghost
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19 Mar 2023 11:03 |
Same family 1881 - James shown as John?
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census 5, Higher Street, Plymouth Charles, Plymouth, Devon, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Willis Head Married Male 37 1844 Labourer gen Plymouth, Devon, England Elizabeth Willis Wife Married Female 32 1849 - Plymouth, Devon, England James Willis Son Single Male 15 1866 Labourer gen Plymouth, Devon, England Alfred Willis Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Plymouth, Devon, England Florence Willis Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Plymouth, Devon, England
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ErikaH
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19 Mar 2023 11:23 |
Elizabeth Chaffe is in trees other than yours - contact the ‘owners’ to find out if they can shed light on your quest
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greyghost
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19 Mar 2023 12:01 |
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1866 (>99%) WILLIS James Plymouth 5b 439
Baptisms - Florence and John not shown on FMP
First name(s) Last name Birth year Baptism year Father's first name(s) Mother's first name(s) Baptism place James Henry Willis 1867 1867James Elizabeth of Cattledown Father a Labourer Sutton on Plym, St John b 27.4.1867 Bap. 26.5.1867
William Willis 1870 1873 James Elizabeth of Cattledown Father a Porter Plymouth, Holy Trinity & St Saviour b 8.1.1870 Bap. 10.1.1873 with Frederick (below)
Fredrick John Willis 1872 1873 James Elizabeth of Catledown Father a Porter Plymouth, Holy Trinity & St Saviour b 13.12.1872 Bap. 10.1.1873
Alfred Ernest Willis 1874 1874 James Elizabeth Ann of Cattledown. Father a Waterman Plymouth, Holy Trinity & St Saviour b 26.7.1874 Bap. 11.8.1874
Residence, Father's occupation and full Dates from original
-------------------------- Frederick John died aged 8 prior to the 1881 census Deaths Mar 1881 (>99%) Willis Frederick John 8 Plymouth 5b 182
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ArgyllGran
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19 Mar 2023 17:44 |
Greyghost - I haven't been able to get into the GRO site for several hours today either.
At first it just didn't open. Now there's only a "Service Announcement" from the Passport Office, saying they're performing scheduled maintenance - but no way to access anything else on the site.
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greyghost
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19 Mar 2023 18:13 |
Scheduled maintenance covers a multitude of sins no doubt !
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ErikaH
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19 Mar 2023 18:38 |
Better to have scheduled maintenance with a fixed time-scale rather than an unmaintained site crashing for an indefinite period ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)
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ArgyllGran
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19 Mar 2023 19:57 |
And it's back!
WILLIS, WILLIAM mmn CHAFFE GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 259
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Maddie
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20 Mar 2023 13:07 |
???? Willm Country England Last name Willis Book type Admissions Birth year 1870 Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office Birth date 08 Jan 1870 Archive reference 1528/2 Age - Folio - Event year 1877 Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914 Admission date 12 Mar 1877 Category Education & work School name St John's School Subcategory Schools & Education Town Plymouth Collections from England, Great Britain County Devon
address 3 commercial road
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ArgyllGran
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20 Mar 2023 17:12 |
Going back to the William Willis c1870 in the 1901 and 1911 censuses, mentioned earlier by Nameslessone:
Your William Willis is the only one born (registered) in Plymouth between 1866 and 1875, so that looks like good bet.
Can't see him in 1881 or 1891.
.William Willis in the 1901 England Census Name: William Willis Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Mary Willis Birth Place: Plymouth, Devon, England Civil parish: Plymouth Search Photos: View blank form Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist Town: Plymouth County/Island: Devon Country: England Registration district: Plymouth Sub-registration district: Charles ED, institution, or vessel: 06 Neighbors: Piece: 2092 Folio: 15 Page number: 21 Household schedule number: 131 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship William Willis 32 Head Mary Willis 33 Wife William Willis 3 Son James Willis 1 Son
William Willis in the 1911 England Census Name: William Willis Age in 1911: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation to Head: Husband Gender: Male Birth Place: Plymouth, Devon Civil Parish: Plymouth County/Island: Devon Country: England Street Address: 83 Clare Buildings, Plymouth Marital status: Married Occupation: Coal Porter Registration District Number: 276 Sub-registration District: Plymouth South East ED, institution, or vessel: 03 Piece: 12961 Household Members: Name Age William Willis 40 Mary Willis 43 William Willis 13 James Willis 11 Jhon Willis 9 Fred Willis 7 Alfred Willis 4 Philip Willis 4/12
WILLIS, ALFRED mmn SMITH GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 225
WILLIS, HENRY PHILIP mmn SMITH GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 203
WILLIS, FREDERICK mmn SMITH GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 198
WILLIS, FREDERICK JOHN mmn SMITH GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 181
WILLIS, JAMES FREDERICK mmn SMITH GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 199
WILLIS, WILLIAM JOHN mmn SMITH GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 207
1921 census:
William Willis 1869 Plymouth, Devon, England Plymouth Plymouth Devon
With May 1869, John 1902, Alfred 1906. and William 1897..
I don't see a marriage for William and Mary/May, which is a pity, as there might have been records with father's name to help verify if this is the right William or not. 1911 census claims they'd been married 20 years.
??? Deaths Dec 1931 (>99%) Willis William 61 Plymouth 5b 326
?? WILLIS, PHILIP 0 GRO Reference: 1911 S Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 323
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ArgyllGran
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21 Mar 2023 14:29 |
Mary and son William in 1939 - same address as in 1911;
Mary Willis in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Mary Willis Gender: Female Marital Status: Widow Birth Date: 9 Jan 1865 Residence Date: 1939 Address: 83 Clare Buildings Residence Place: Plymouth, Devon, England Occupation: Pensioner Line Number: 6 Schedule Number: 114 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: Wekj Borough: Plymouth Registration district: 276/2 Household Members (Name) Age Mary Willis 74 William Willis 42 - 31 May 1897, H M Dockyard No 27068
??? - going by age in censuses, rather than in 1939:
Deaths Sep 1940 (>99%) Willis Mary 72 Plymouth 5b 751
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