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Name: Elizabeth Farrell
Age: 0
Birth Date: 18 Apr 1913
Baptism Date: 30 Apr 1913
Baptism Place: Ancoats, All Souls, Lancashire, England
Father: John Christopher Farrell
Mother: Martha Farrell

Name: Elizabeth Farrell
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1913
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Death Registration Place: Salford, Lancashire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Dec 1914
Inferred Death Place: Lancashire, United Kingdom
Volume: 8d
Page: 43

Name: Elizabeth Farrell
Age: 1
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1913
Death Date: abt 1914
Burial Date: 18 Nov 1914
Burial Place: Manchester, Greater Manchester, England
Cemetery: Philips Park Cemetery
Cemetery Section: D
Grave Number: 1180
Cemetery Notes: Consecrated

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ErikaH -
Yes, of course you're right about May/Mary in 1921.
I missed that.

I looked on Lancashire BMD for Elsie birth,
You could be right with May/Mary
I've checked all the info you have given me against other parts of the family the census 1921 for Egan with John & Mary Farrell on it Niece had me puzzled But The Elizabeth Turner who married Egan was Martha's cousin
So
Thank you for all your help I've sorted Martha out and got an extra relation Elsie

AG

Surely May is ‘Mary’ in 1921 as per my 13.15 post?

Sylann
Elsie’s birth is registered with MMN Turner…….look at freebmd

Also, when you have info, please share it with the people whose help you request. Thank you

Yes I have the details for May

Thank you It does look as though Martha re married and found a birth for Elsie 1920 but it seems a little strange as it has Hoare Farrell and Hoare Elsie Turner

So were they married Farrell was her 1st marriage and Turner was her maiden name

I don't see May in 1921, as either Farrell or Hoare:


FARRELL, MAY mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 750

May Farrell
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
Name: May Farrell
Age: 0
Birth Date: 3 May 1911
Baptism Date: 17 May 1911
Baptism Place: Ancoats, All Souls, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Manchester, All Souls
Father: John Christopher Farrell
Mother: Martha Farrell
Reference Number: GB127.M405/1/1/13


May Kirkham
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: May Kirkham [May Williams]
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 3 May 1911
Residence Date: 1939
Address: Menzies, Ferndale Avenue
Residence Place: Chapel-En-Le-Frith, Derbyshire, England
Line Number: 39
Schedule Number: 140
Sub Schedule Number: 5
Enumeration District: Rcms
Borough: Chapel-En-Le-Frith
Registration district: 440/2
Household Members (Name) Age
Phyllis McIlroy 32
Allen McIlroy 7
Barbara W McIlroy 4
Harriet Broadbent 57
May Kirkham 28
This record is officially closed.

1939 Register
2 Bremner Street, Manchester, Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England
Edith Thorley (Hoare) 20 Jul 1914 Female Beer Wine & Spirit Bottler Single 127 1
Elsie Morton (Hoare) 18 Jun 1920 Female Book Binder Folder & Sewer Single 127 2

Name: Martha Hoare
Death Age: 42
Birth Date: abt 1887
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar 1929
Registration District: South Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 309

Name: Thomas John Hoare
Death Date: 30 Nov 1935
Cemetery: Southern Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Chorlton-Cum-Hardy, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester, England

Deaths Dec 1935 (>99%)
Hoare Thomas J 58 Manchester S. 8d 84

1921 already POSTED

In 1921, Thomas says both parents of his older children are 'alive', but I think this may be their mother's death..........

Deaths Sep 1918 (>99%)
Hoare Annie 38 Manchester 8d 255

I've got May Farrel 1911 married a William Kirkham 1933
but what I'm after is Martha in the 1921 see if she has remarried but she should be with her children ?
Ho
Sorry just seen the marriage for Matha and Hoare is their any chance of seeing her in 1921 could be her has remarried ??

Thomas John Hoare's first marriage:

Marriages Jun 1901 (>99%)
HOARE John Thomas Chorlton 8c 1289
POLLITT Annie Chorlton 8c 1289


Children as in 1921 census:

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
Hoare Edith Pollitt Chorlton 8c 1605

HOARE, JAMES mmn POLLITT
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 864

HOARE, ANNIE mmn POLLITT
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 830

HOARE, WILLIAM ALEXANDER mmn POLLIT
GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 1567

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
Hoare Edith Pollitt Chorlton 8c 1605

Same address as 1911 posted above - 1921 in full
12, Cowell Buildings, Ardwick, South Manchester, Lancashire, England

Thomas John Hoare Head Male 1877 44 Ardwick, Lancashire, England Manchester Corporation Gas Depot Labourer
Martha Hoare Wife Female 1888 33 Ardwick, Lancashire, England - -
John Hoare Son Male 1903 18 Ardwick, Lancashire, England Lnw Railway Labourer
James Hoare Son Male 1904 17 Ardwick, Lancashire, England Lnw Railway Labourer
Annie Hoare Daughter Female 1907 14 Ardwick, Lancashire, England - -
William Hoare Son Male 1911 9 Ardwick, Lancashire, England - -
Edith Hoare Daughter Female 1913 7 Ardwick, Lancashire, England - -
Elsie Ann Hoare Daughter Female 1920 1 Ardwick, Lancashire, England -

Didn't you look for a re-marriage?

1911 for our reference:

Martha Farrell
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Martha Farrell
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: South Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 12 Cowells Buildings Tash Lane Ardwick Manchester
Marital status: Married
Registration District Number: 464
Sub-registration District: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Piece: 23723
Household Members:
Name Age
John C Farrell 27
Martha Farrell 25
James Turner 21
Charles Turner 17
Elizebeth Turner 14


???
Marriages Mar 1919 (>99%)
Farrell Martha Hoare Manchester 8d 257
Hoare Thomas J Farrell Manchester 8d 257


In 1921 -

Thomas John
Hoare
1877
Ardwick, Lancashire, England
South Manchester
Chorlton
Lancashire

With Martha 1888, Annie 1907, Edith 1913 , Elsie Ann 1920, James 1904, William 1911, and John 1903.


Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
Hoare Elsie Turner Chorlton 8c 1489

Suggestion ONLY........checking vital
1921 Census Of England & Wales
2, Bridge Street, Ardwick, South Manchester, Lancashire, England

Edward Egan Head Male 1874 47 Newton Le Willows, Lancashire, England Iron Planer Henry Wallwork (Out Of Work) Roger Street Redbank
Elizabeth Egan Wife Female 1881 40 Manchester, Lancashire, England At Home (Home Duties) At Home
William Egan Boarder Male 1879 42 Newton Le Willows, Lancashire, England Iron Borer Armstrong Whitworth Openshaw
Arthur Egan Son Male 1902 18 Manchester, Lancashire, England Iron Borer Armstrong Whitworth Openshaw
Wilfred Egan Son Male 1907 13 Manchester, Lancashire, England - -
Mary Farrell Niece Female 1911 10 Manchester, Lancashire, England - - FATHER DEAD
John Farrell Nephew Male 1915 6 Manchester, Lancashire, England - FATHER DEAD

Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
EGAN Edward Arthur Prestwich 8d 559
TURNER Elizabeth Ann Prestwich 8d 559


FARRELL, JANE TURNER
GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 797
FARRELL, JANE 0
GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 483

FARRELL, FREDERICK TURNER
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 212
FARRELL, FREDERICK 0
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 138

FARRELL, MAY TURNER
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 750

For INFO

Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Farrell Elizabeth Turner Chorlton 8c 1562
Births Sep 1915 (>99%)
Farrell John Turner Chorlton 8c 1354

The two earlier children died BEFORE 1911 census

Hi Sorry but I'm after a 1921 census oMartha 1 Farrell 1886 Manchester
In 1911 she was in Manchester living with her husband John Christopher but he was killed in 1916 living with them 1911 were Martha's brothers James 21 ,Charles 17 and sister Elizabeth 14 apparently she had 2 children but lost them late 1911 she had a daughter May 1913 Elizabeth and John 1915

with this 1921 census hopefully I can spend this cold rainy afternoon looking to see what I can find

Thank you