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I am trying to get definitive proof of my 3x grandfather Thomas Crouch.
He was either christened on 16/12/1733 at Lavendon with father Christopher and mother Elizabeth
or on 21/12/1735 at Emberton with father Thomas and mother Mary. TIA Mike

lavendon marriage

Thomas
Banns date 28 Jul 1754
Sex Male
Residence Lavendon
Last name Crouch
Spouse's marital status spinster
Banns year 1754
Spouse's residence Lavendon
Marriage year -
Archive Buckinghamshire Archives
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Archive reference PR126/1/7
Spouse's last name Ed?
Register type Banns & marriages
Denomination Anglican
Register year range 1754-1800
County Buckinghamshire
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Country England
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Place Lavendon
Collections from England, Great Britain
Document type Parish registers

emberton

Thomas
Banns date 26 Nov 1758
Sex Male
Marriage date 24 Dec 1758
Last name Crouch
Residence Emberton
Banns year 1758
Spouse's residence Emberton
Marriage year 1758
First witness William Pilgrim
Spouse's first name(s) Johnna
Archive Buckinghamshire Archives
Spouse's last name Joyce
Archive reference PR71/1/2Q
Denomination Anglican
Register type Banns & marriages
County Buckinghamshire
Register year range 1754-1812
Country England
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Place Emberton
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Document type Parish registers

are either of them yours ?

do you have any details of children

When did he die? How old was he?

Where did Thomas live? It is worth looking at the naming patterns of both Thomas’s children and grandchildren, sometimes that helps things fall into place.

Have you looked to see if any of the potential fathers left wills?

from a tree on ancesrt

Thomas Crouch from tree Arbre de la famille CROUCH
Record information.
Birth 16 Dec 1733 Lavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Marriage 24 Dec 1758 Emberton, Buckinghamshire, England
Residence 1798 Emberton, Buckinghamshire, England
Death Mar 1806 Emberton, Buckinghamshire, England

Father Thomas Crouch (Born 1709)
Mother Mary Luddington (1720-1750)
Spouse Johanna / Hannah JOYCE (1734-1772)

children

1758–1782
Christopher/Kit Crouch?

1759–1831
John Crouch

1762–1847
Thomas Crouch

1763–1801
Mary Crouch

1765–1839
Mary Crouch

1772–1837
Ann Crouch

1775–1782
Francis Crouch

1781–1867
Thomas Crouch

–1801

So quite possible that the author of that tree wasn’t aware of the two Thomas Crouch’s born within a couple of years.

I saw that tree, but they've mixed up the two Thomases - showing the 1733 baptism in Lavendon, but saying his parents were Thomas and Mary, when the baptism record clearly shows Christopher and Elizabeth.

Thomas Crouch
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Thomas Crouch
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 16 Dec 1733
Baptism Place: Lavendon,Buckingham,England
Father: Cristefer Crouch
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 1042387


There's no image of the 1758 marriage record on Ancestry - but it probably wouldn't have named his father in any case:

Thos. Crouch
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973
Name: Thos. Crouch
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1758
Marriage Place: Emberton, Buckingham, England
Spouse: Johanna Joyce
FHL Film Number: 1999199

On Findagrave, there are a few Crouches in Emberton Churchyard, but no photos of their stones - and none of them is Thomas.

None of them are in that tree.

The eldest of those Crouches is William, born c1771 per 1841 census, when he's in Emberton with wife Charlotte.
Buried 9 March 1849.

Can't find his baptism or marriage.

Thanks everyone.
I agree the detail in post 12:57.
Thomas & Johanna had the children in post 12:44
I have a burial of Thomas 04/04/1806 in Emberton, no age, post 12:28.
So, unless I 've missed something, still a mystery?

Yes, still a mystery.

Such old records don't give much detail.
When there's more than one family of the same surname in a village, and a limited range of first names used, it's often impossible to be sure which family a child belongs to.

How have you proved that the 1806 burial is your ancestor?

When/where was his wife buried?

It seems feasible that the Thomas in the tree mentioned by Maddie at 12:44 was the son of Christopher and Elizabeth, because his eldest son was named Christopher.

But that's only a guess and I can't prove it!

Sorry ErikaH, missed your question at 16:43.
I've no proof of either burials, just 'possibles that fit' from Ancestry:
Thomas 04/04/1806 Emberton and Hanna 11/05/1804 Emberton

Ooops! From FMP (Buckinghamshire burials) not Ancestry

It is always work looking at the Genuki pages to see what is available and where you might find it. Although it might mean you have to buy cds etc.

I had not come across the term Posse Comitatus before - possibly worth looking in to.