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The John baptised in 1879 was the son of John and Jane Ann Brown. he was born 5 Dec 1878 and baptised 19 Jan 1879. His father was a painter and they lived at 38 Scott Street.

Name: John Brown
Age: 0
Birth Date: 5 Dec 1878
Baptism Date: 19 Jan 1879
Baptism Place: Ancoats, St Andrew, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Manchester, St Andrew
Search Photos: Search for 'Ancoats, St Andrew' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: John Brown
Mother: Jane Ann Brown
Reference Number: GB127.M45/1/10/5

Name: John Brown
Age: 0
Birth Date: 5 Dec 1878
Baptism Date: 19 Jan 1879
Baptism Place: Ancoats, St Andrew, Lancashire, England
Father: John Brown
Mother: Jane Ann Brown

FMP....much better layout

1911 Census For England & Wales
38 Scott St Ancoats Manchester, Manchester, Lancashire, England

John Brown Head Married Male 55 1856 House painter Lancs Manchester Lacashire
Jane Ann Brown Wife Married Female 55 1856 None Lancs Manchester Lancs
Stewart Brown Son Single Male 21 1890 Wood packing case maker Lancs Manchester
Bertha Brown Daughter Single Female 18 1893 Grey cloth hooker Lancs Manchester
Jane Ann Brown Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Machinist Lancs Manchester
Robert Brown Son Single Male 15 1896 Cartboy Lancs Manchester
Albert Brown Son - Male 10 1901 Shool Lancs Manchester
May Clegg Niece - Female 4 1907 School Lancs Manchester
Ethel Brown Daughter - Female 13 1898 School Lancs Manchester


THIRTEEN children born in marriage - FOUR have died.

1921 Census Of England & Wales
38, Scott Street, Ancoats, Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Brown Head Male 1855 65 Manchester, Lancashire, England Painter Box & Co Painter & Decorators
Jane Ann Brown Wife Female 1865 56 Manchester, Lancashire, England At Home -
Bertha Brown Daughter Female 1892 29 Manchester, Lancashire, England Hooker Balle Bros Shipping Merchants
Jane Ann Brown Daughter Female 1894 27 Manchester, Lancashire, England Machinist Harrops Skirt Mftrs

BROWN, JOHN WOODHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 259
BROWN, WILLIAM WOODHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 254
BROWN, HANNAH WOODHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 251
BROWN, KEZIA WOODHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 239
BROWN, MARIA WOODHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 252
BROWN, MARTHA WOODHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 254
BROWN, STEWART WOODHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 247
BROWN, STEWART WOODHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 254
BROWN, ROBERT WOODHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 268
BROWN, BERTHA WOODHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1892 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 251
BROWN, JANE ANN WOODHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 239
BROWN, ALBERT BADEN-POWELL WOODHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 270
BROWN, ETHEL WOODHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 263

Thank you it looks as though John was married before 1911 ?
Thank you for the 1921 census for John and Jane Ann
as I said I'm at a loss now I would have thought the birth dates would be right if they are none of what is here is right??

And the the jobs a fitter to a minor I know the iron works were struggling ?

Name: Albert Baden Powell Brown
Death Date: 30 Jul 1914
Cemetery: Southern Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Chorlton-Cum-Hardy, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester, England

Pre-1911 deaths

BROWN, MARIA 1
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 168
Deaths Sep 1889 (>99%)
Brown Stuart 1 Manchester 8d 169

In 1901, John was a TURNER............in the Iron trade

Have you considered that he may actually have died before 1911?

I've posted two definite children's deaths, and there are two more to be accounted for

1901
John Brown Head Married Male 45 1856 House painter Manchester, Lancashire, England
Jane A Brown Wife Married Female 45 1856 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Brown Son Single Male 22 1879 Turner in iron trade Manchester, Lancashire, England
Hannah Brown Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Machinist (gaiters) Manchester, Lancashire, England
Kezia Brown Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Machinist (skirts & aprons) Manchester, Lancashire, England
Stewart Brown Son - Male 11 1890 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Bertha Brown Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Jane A Brown Daughter - Female 7 1894 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Robert Brown Son - Male 5 1896 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ethel Brown Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Albert B P Brown Son - Male 0 1901 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

Your 1901 is better than mine lot of writing on it so I thought it said fitter
Just been over a lot of Marriages so that was my next thought
I'll check it out

Name: Kezia Brown
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 22
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1884
Marriage Date: 20 Oct 1906
Father: John Brown
Spouse: Alfred Clegg

Died 1962

On the image of 1901 it says both turner and fitter.

??? (Apologies if posted already)

John Brown
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Brown
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Manchester, Chester, England [ "Chester" isn't on the image.]
Civil Parish: Greenwich
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 26 Circus Street, Greenwich
Marital status: Single
Occupation: ENIGNE and MACHINE FITTER
Registration District Number: 28
Sub-registration District: Greenwich West
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Piece: 2674
Household Members:
Name Age
John Brown 34
Frank Wale 40 - sub-tenant
Frances Wale 38
Garnett Frank Wale 15
Harold Percy Wale 3

Right the deaths
I have those and they seem to match up with what I have BUT their is always a but
Albert BP Brown is buried with a few people One is his Mother Jane Ann Brown 1929 also a John Brown 1929 and John 1904
Their are 2 Walley's , ! Venerbals and 1 Wardroper

It doesn't look like a communeral grave so could all be relate but the 1904 could be the John we're looking for I'll have to get some credits but the site is down at the moment

The ages fit 1929 is 73 so that could be his father 1904 is 25 which fits
I'll wait now to get some credits or until the photo comes through of the grave

Thank you

John Brown
in the England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016
Name: John Brown
Age: 25
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1879
Death Date: abt 1904
Burial Date: 2 Jun 1904
Burial Place: Manchester, Greater Manchester, England
Cemetery: Southern Cemetery
Cemetery Section: I
Grave Number: 1058
Cemetery Notes: Consecrated
Occupation: Machanic <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


This burial doesn't show up when I search Southern Cemetery on Findagrave.

I've got 1855 for john Senior I'll have to wait to get credits as their isn't a head stone
their is a photo of the grave site for Jane Ann it's just a patch of grass

Thank you for all your help fingers cross and we have put him to bed

Albert Baden Powell Brown (14), messenger, of 38, Scott-street. Ardwick, Manchester, sustained fatal injuries yesterday by falling over the bannisters at Lloyd's packing warehouse at 56 Bloom Street.
25 July 1914 - Daily Citizen (Manchester) - Manchester, Lancashire, England

Albert Baden Powell Brown Death
30 Jul 1914
Jane Ann Brown Death
18 Feb 1929
John Brown Death
4 Feb 1929
Leslie Alfred Brown Death
17 Mar 1921
John Venables Death
18 Sep 1905

are all in Plot
IChurch of England 1058


??

Births Mar 1921 (>99%)
Brown Leslie A Richards Chorlton 8c 1597

Deaths Mar 1921 (>99%)
BROWN Leslie A 0 Chorlton 8c 1039



???

First name(s) John
County Lancashire
Last name Venables
Linked persons Enoch Edwards and George Clarke
Death year 1905
Country England
Death date 14 Sep 1905
Record set England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019
Probate year 1905
Probate date 28 Nov 1905
Residence town Manchester

of 7 Peel Grove, Longsight, Manchester, commision agent.


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
7, North Road Peel Grove, North Manchester, Prestwich, Lancashire, England

Household members (3 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Venables Head
Married Male 57 1844 Commission agent Fallowfield, Lancashire, England
Sarah Venables Wife
Married Female 57 1844 - Rusholme, Lancashire, England
Annie Venables Daughter
Single Female 31 1870 School teacher Rusholme, Lancashire, England


Sarah dies in 1906 and is buried in a different plot.