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Baptism: 19 Aug 1917 St Peter, Burnley, Lancashire, England
John Patchett - [Child] of Manasset Patchett & Catherine
Born: 16 Jul 1917
Abode: 12 Jackson St.
Occupation: Picture Palace Attendant
Baptised by: C. H. Townson
Register: Baptisms 1907 - 1919, Page 184, Entry 1472
Source: Original Parish Register

Catherine was born in Scotland - Marybank in Ross-shire

I also noticed, thanks for posting 1921, thst it says Edna was born in 1913 to Catherine and mannaseh but when I checked the lbmd earlier it says Edna was not born until 1920. And her mothers maiden name was Chickeral. I think that coukd be mispronounced chisholm. But odd about the 7 year difference in tears for Edna?
:-)

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Coul of Fairburn, Urray, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland

John Chisholm Head Married Male 35 1856 Farm servant Ross & Cromarty, Scotland
Bella Chisholm Wife Married Female 30 1861 - -
Margaret Chisholm Daughter - Female 9 1882 - Ross & Cromarty, Scotland
Annie Chisholm Daughter - Female 6 1885 - Ross & Cromarty, Scotland
Catherine Chisholm Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Ross & Cromarty, Scotland
John Chisholm Son - Male 1 1890 - Ross & Cromarty, Scotland

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Tarradale Mains, Urray, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
John Chisholm Head Married Male 40 1861 Cattle on farm Gairloch, Ross & Cromarty, Scotland
Isabella Chisholm Wife Married Female 41 1860 - Kiltarlity, Invernessshire, Scotland
Catherine Chisholm Daughter - Female 13 1888 Scholar Ross & Cromarty, Scotland
John Chisholm Son - Male 11 1890 Scholar Ross & Cromarty, Scotland
William Chisholm Son - Male 9 1892 Scholar Ross & Cromarty, Scotland
Hector Chisholm Son - Male 6 1895 Scholar Ross & Cromarty, Scotland

1921 transcription for Edna is WRONG - look at the note added by alviegal

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1918
Surname Forename(s) Age or Date of Birth Year Sub-District Registers At Reference Add to Summary
PATCHETT John 1 1918 Burnley East Preston

Marriages Mar 1857   (>99%)
Altham  William    Burnley  8e 271   Scan available - click to view
Bolton  Mary  Burnley  8e 271   Scan available - click to view
>>Knowles  Margaret  Burnley  8e 271   Scan available - click to view
Knowles  Marguret  Burnley  8e 271   Scan available - click to view
>>Patchett  Benjamin  Burnley  8e 271


Mannaseh's parents.



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
12, Butler Street, Burnley, Lancashire, England
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Household members (7 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Benjamin Patchett Head
Married Male 50 1831 Cotton warper Colne, Lancashire, England
Margaret Patchett Wife
Married Female 49 1832 Cotton weaver Colne, Lancashire, England
Joseph Henry Patchett Son
Single Male 20 1861 Cotton spinner Colne, Lancashire, England
Annie Patchett Daughter
Single Female 14 1867 Cotton weaver Colne, Lancashire, England
Stanley Patchett Son
Single Male 12 1869 Cotton spinner Colne, Lancashire, England
Susannah Patchett Daughter
Single Female 9 1872 Scholar Colne, Lancashire, England
Lavinia Patchett Daughter
Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Colne, Lancashire, England


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Clayton Street, Colne, Burnley, Lancashire, England
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Household members (9 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Benjamin Patchet Head
- Male 40 1831 - Lancashire, England
Margaret Patchet Wife
- Female 39 1832 - Lancashire, England
>>Mannasar Patchet Son
- Male 16 1855 - Lancashire, England
Mary Patchet Daughter
- Female 14 1857 - Lancashire, England
Joseph Henry Patchet Son
- Male 10 1861 - Lancashire, England
Edne Patchet Daughter
- Female 8 1863 - Lancashire, England
Ephraim Patchet Son
- Male 6 1865 - Lancashire, England
Ann Patchet Daughter
- Female 4 1867 - Lancashire, England
Stanley Patchet Son
- Male 2 1869 - Lancashire, England

1939 Register
10 Jackson Street, Burnley, Burnley C.B., Lancashire, England

Catherine Patchett 13 Nov 1887 Female Cotton Winder Widowed 68 1
Edna Torode (Patchett) 25 Sep 1920 Female Cotton Winder Single 68 2

ah thanks for that. we'll spotted Erika. I thought it was odd. don't know about the Williams maiden name though for John patchett. Unless Bella maiden name was Williams perhaos, catherines mother? Well done for getting Catherine born in Scotland. I did check for chisholme and it did look like a lot were Scotland but you found the exact one. thanks. Thsnks for all the hard work. rumour was that there was another brother of ephraim named humphrey, the 1882 ephraim. But can't find a humphrey so that may just be a, rumour. Mannaseh still having kids in his 65 year is good going, but he did marry a younger wife second time round. Good biblical names. I reckon maybe mannaseh and his first wife Mary were buried in Nelson or Colne as I can't find a burnley burial for them. :-)

The 1857 marriage wasn't in a CofE Church, so no further info is available online

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Earl Street, Burnley, Lancashire, England
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Household members (7 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Manasseh Patchell Head
Married Male 35 1856 Coal miner Colne, Lancashire, England
Mary A Patchell Wife
Married Female 33 1858 - Burnley, Lancashire, England
Ephraim Patchell Son
Single Male 9 1882 Scholar Burnley, Lancashire, England
Alfred Patchell Son
Single Male 8 1883 Scholar Burnley, Lancashire, England
Sarah E Patchell Daughter
Single Female 3 1888 Scholar Burnley, Lancashire, England
Annie M Patchell Daughter
Single Female 0 1891 - Burnley, Lancashire, England
Sarah Brockbank Boarder
Married Female 24 1867 Cotton winder Burnley, Lancashire, England

PATCHETT, ALFRED BROCKBANK
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 219
PATCHETT, EPHRAIM BROCKBANK
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 216
PATCHETT, WILLIAM ERNEST BROCKBANK
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 231
PATCHETT, HARRIET BROCKBANK
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 232
PATCHETT, HARRIET ANNIE BROCKBANK
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 210
PATCHETT, SARAH BROCKBANK
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 238
PATCHETT, ANNIE MARETTA BROCKBANK
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 202
PATCHETT, EVA DINAH BROCKBANK
GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 226
PATCHETT, ELSIE BROCKBANK
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 188
PATCHETT, MARGARET ELLEN BROCKBANK
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 178
PATCHETT, MAY EVELYN BROCKBANK
GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 240

Name: Catherine Patchett
Death Age: 58
Birth Date: abt 1889
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun 1947
Registration District: Burnley
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 631

Parents' marriage


Catherine's birth

CHISHOLM
CATHERINE
MACDONALD
F
1887
085 / 45
URRAY
Born 13th November at 3.20pm (I used some of my SP credits)
Confirms it's the right woman - see DoB on 1939 register


CHISHOLM
JOHN
MCDONALD
ISABELLA
1879
098 / 156
INVERNESS
Married 12th December, as per info on Catherine's birth cert

thanks for that Erika. much appreciated. maybe that's why it sounded like chickerall. If Scottish accent was very broad? thanks for all the info everyone. it's really helpful.
x???? :-)

It could, as I said earlier, simply be awful handwriting........

You’re making an unfounded assumption about who registered the birth…………… :-S :-S :-S

Do you have these?

Manesseh Patchett
 in the UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Admissions and Discharges, 1715-1925
View Original Image on Fold3.
Name: Manesseh Patchett
Discharge Date: 10 Nov 1885
Regiment: A. R. B. 98 ft.
Rank: Pte
Regimental Number: 178 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<


M. Patchett
 in the UK, Military Deserters, 1812-1927
View Original Image on Fold3.
Name: M. Patchett
Age: 32
Birth Year: Abt 1844
Birth Place: Manchester
Desertion Date: 26 Dec 1876
Desertion Place: Aldershot
Publication Date: 12 Jan 1877
Regimental Number: 178 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Military Corps: 64th Foot



The year of birth is 10 years out, if the transcription is accurate, but it's probably him.

There was another Manasseh Padgett, 1838-1910, but he was born and lived all his life in Yorkshire.

‘Unfounded assumption’ is a bit harsh. Just the word assumption would still have conveyed the message.

1861, just to complete the set:

Manasiah Patchett
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Manasiah Patchett
Gender: Male
Age: 7
Relation: Son
Estimated Birth Year: 1854
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Colne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Colne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: Colne
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 83
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Benjamin Patchett 31 Head
Margaret Patchett 30 Wife
Manasiah Patchett 7 Son
Mary Patchett 4 Daughter
Joseph H Patchett 10/12 Son

thanks everyone for all your help. I have become fascinated by this man manneseh. He seemed to cramn a, lot into his life. He also went to fall river I noticed in 1912. He must presumably have been back by 1917 as his son John was born around then. I wonder if he found life in America too tough. His sister I think was living there, Mary, I think.
Thanks again <3 :-)

Posting the travel record just for our interest! Yet another birth year.

Manassah Patchett
in the Massachusetts, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1963
Name: Manassah Patchett
Gender: Male
Nationality: English
Marital Status: Married
Arrival Age: 50
Birth Date: abt 1862
Birth Place: Manchester, England
Departure Place: Liverpool, England
Last Residence Place: Bundnley, England
Final Destination Place: Fall River, Massachusetts
Residence Place: England
Arrival Date: 6 Jun 1912
Arrival Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Complexion: Fair
Eye Color: Blue
Hair Color: Steudy [sandy]
Height: 5 Feet., 8 Inches.
Money: $20
Ship: Franconia
Spouse: M Patchett [ just Mrs Patchett on image, address 48 Golden St., Burnley ]
Sibling: M Cearley [ sister, Mrs Lavann Cleoville ?? - terrible handwriting)]
Friend: Lavann Ceuoville [no friend mentioned on image]
Person in Old Country Name: M Patchett
Person in Old Country Residence Place: Bonley [Burnley]
Person in Old Country Relationship: Wife
Person in US Name: M Cearley [sister, unreadable name, on image]
Person in US Relationship: Sister [ 119 Division Street, Fall River, Mass.]