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The Richards/Husband marriage was in 1854..........................

If Martha Evans is the Mother then probably why Amelia was named Amelia Martha Richards.

As I have been looking into this for so long I will probably order those 2 birth certificates, I will be able to get them on PDF, much cheaper and quicker.

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Marriages Sep 1870 (>99%)
EVANS Martha Merthyr T. 11a 516
Richards David Merthyr Tydfil 11a 516
Terrer Sarah Merthyr Tydfil 11a 516
Thomas William Merthyr Tydfil 11a 516

The daughter's second forename was Martha............................

RICHARDS, JAMES EVANS
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in OF MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 552

Those births look hopeful ArgyllGran, thank you, I did look for baptism records for young David and James but couldn't find anything.

I picked James up from the 1911 census,

Thank you for the births ErikaH

The 1921 census was taken on 19 June, so IF (big IF) the info is correct, he would have been born in May 1873, and therefore this would be his birth:

RICHARDS, DAVID mmn EVANS
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 476


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RICHARDS, JAMES mmn EVANS
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in OF MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 552

Trees on Ancestry suggest his parents are DAvid 1829-1903 and Elizabeth Husband 1835 -.

There seems to be no mention of James.

Suggestions for further research

RICHARDS, DAVID LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 388
RICHARDS, DAVID LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 399
RICHARDS, DAVID MORGANS
GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 440
RICHARDS, DAVID EVANS
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 476

Thanks ErikaH

For info............much easier to assimilate if copied and pasted
1921 Census Of England & Wales
36 High Street, Mountain Ash, Llanwonno, Glamorganshire, Wales

David Richards Head Male 1873 48 Aberdare, Glamorganshire, Wales Coal Miner Hewer Nixon Navigation
Helena Richards Wife Female 1874 47 Glamorganshire, Wales - -
David Thomas Richards Son Male 1906 14 Glamorganshire, Wales Wheelwright David Williams Aberdare
Edgar Richards Son Male 1908 12 Glamorganshire, Wales - -
Amelia Martha Richards Daughter Female 1909 11 Glamorganshire, Wales - House U Duffryn Own Account
Albert Lloyd Rees Boarder Male 1903 18 Glamorganshire, Wales Coal Miner Hewer Powell Duffryn Cwmfennar

David Lewis and David Thomas Lewis.

1921 census has his age as 48 years and one month.

I have seen that 1881 census, and thought it a possibility, but because of the common names I wasn't sure. The problem with the Welsh names is that they repeat themselves through the generations.

Who witnessed the marriage?

If the groom was indeed 30 when he married, his birth would have been somewhat earlier than 1874

Have you discounted this family from the 1881 census?
Name: David Richards
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: David Richards
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Richards
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Aberdare
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 60 Bwllfa Road
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub registration district: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5320
Folio: 94
Page number: 22
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
David Richards
52 Head
Elizabeth Richards
47 Wife
Rachel Richards
18 Daughter
William Richards
15 Son
Margaret Richards
12 Daughter
David Richards 7 Son

Ancestry suggests this as David's birth:

RICHARDS, DAVID mmn DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 430


However, so far I don't see young David with a brother James born c1887 together in 1891.

I have noticed that it is sometimes spelt different ways. I am sure its the same place as its all in the Rhonda.

The family are at 36 High Street, Mountain Ash, Glamorgan in 1921, James not with them, just David, Helena and the 3 children

I think James birth place is probably Blaen Clydach in the Rhonda.

Posting 1911 for our reference, for David's YOB and birthplace:

David Richards
 in the 1911 Wales CensusName: David Richards
Age in 1911: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Llanwonno
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 36 High St Mountain Ash
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 7
Estimated Marriage Year: 1904
Occupation: Collier (hewer)
Registration District: Pontypridd
Registration District Number: 589
Sub-registration District: Llanwonno
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Household Schedule Number: 233
Piece: 32281
Household Members:
Name Age
David Richards 37 - Aberdare
Helena Richards 36
David Thomas Richards 4
Edgar James Horace Richards 2
Amelia Martha Richards 1
James Richards 24 - Blean, Clydach Vale


Aberdare is in Merthyr Tydfil reg district.

James's birthplace in Clydach Vale was in Pontypridd RD at that time.