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ErikaH
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29 Nov 2022 14:20 |
http://www.britishexecutions.co.uk/search.php?year=1888&subpage=year&termRef=1888&time=1669731517
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nameslessone
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29 Nov 2022 14:24 |
That’s an interesting find.
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ArgyllGran
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29 Nov 2022 16:33 |
A fascinating website!
However, none of the men hanged in 1888 had murdered a burglar. The nearest was the elderly Samuel Crowther who murdered someone stealing fruit from his trees.
The name Cyster doesn't appear anywhere on that site - not 1888 nor any other year.
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jenny
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9 Dec 2022 19:33 |
i was told that she lost two sets of twins and a boy when she was married to Alfred Harverson. After he died she remarried Christopher Cyster and had a daughter, that daughter was my mums, mother.
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jenny
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9 Dec 2022 19:39 |
I wonder if my mum was told the wrong date, she was told the story of the murder by an old lady who knew the Cysters well. Maybe its got a bit mixed jup over the years. Thanks for looking that up, I think my mum would rather it was a mistake, she was upset to hear it.
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ErikaH
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9 Dec 2022 20:09 |
You can check for births and deaths quite easily to verify the stories about lost babies - or not, as the case may be.
And you should also look at the site to which I gave the link………if only to satisfy yourself.
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ArgyllGran
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9 Dec 2022 20:32 |
At the 1900 marriage of Christopher Cyster and Ellen Harverson, she's a widow, but gives her father's name as John Essex Harverson.
But - In 1901 (census posted earlier) she's listed as Harverson, widow - not Cyster - and Christopher's apparently living in the same household, listed as single. He didn't die until 1953.
This will be her birth:
ESSEX, ELLEN SUSAN mmn MASON GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in NEWINGTON Volume 01D Page 193
Ellen Essex in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938 Name: Ellen Essex Gender: Female Marriage Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1857 Marriage Date: 4 Sep 1878 Marriage Place: St Mary, Lambeth, Lambeth, England Father: John Essex Spouse: Alfred Haverson Register Type: Parish Register
Alfred died 1896.
Children of that marriage:
HARVERSON, ELLEN ELIZABETH mmn ESSEX GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 95
HARVERSON, ALBERT DANIEL mmn ESSEX GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 184
HARVERSON, JOHN ERNEST mmn ESSEX GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in ST SAVIOUR LONDON Volume 01D Page 91
HARVERSON, HAROLD APELLES mmn ESSEX GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in ST SAVIOUR LONDON Volume 01D Page 17
HARVERSON, ALICE MAY mmn ESSEX GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in ST SAVIOUR LONDON Volume 01D Page 124
HARVERSON, EDITH MABEL mmn ESSEX GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in ST SAVIOUR LONDON Volume 01D Page 90
No twins - but a son's death:
Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%) Harverson Harold Apelles 1 St. Saviour 1d 17
Maybe the twins were miscarriages rather than births.
Then the birth of your grandmother, with mmn given as Harverson, rather than Essex:
CYSTER, LOUISA CHRISTINA mmn HARVERSON GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in AMERSHAM Volume 03A Page 815
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ErikaH
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10 Dec 2022 14:43 |
Workhouse, with mother and 3 older siblings, Edith, John and Albert
Name: Alice May Harverson Admission Age: 3/12 Record Type: Admission Birth Date: 1895 Admission Date: 10 Jul 1895 Admission Place: Southwark, Southwark, London, England
Name: Alice May Harverson Age: 0 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Death Registration Place: Camberwell, London, United Kingdom Death Date: Dec 1895 Inferred Death Place: London, United Kingdom Volume: 1d Page: 454
Name: Ellen Elizth. Haverson Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: Alfred Haverson Mother: Ellen Susan Haverson Gender: Female Where born: Southw, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Southwark St George Martyr County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 11 London St Registration District: St Saviour Southwark Sub registration district: London Road ED, institution, or vessel: 1b Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 528 Folio: 41 Page Number: 35 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Haverson 21 Ellen Susan Haverson 21 Ellen Elizth. Haverson 1
Name: Ellen Elizabeth Harverson Registration Year: 1906 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Amersham Inferred County: Buckinghamshire Volume: 3a Page: 1647 Name Ellen Elizabeth Harverson Thomas Willoughby
Name: Ellen Elizabeth Willoughby Death Date: 23 Apr 1972 Death Place: London Probate Date: 12 Jun 1972 Probate Registry: London
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ArgyllGran
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10 Dec 2022 16:15 |
Alice May's DOB:
Alice May Harverson in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1923 Name: Alice May Harverson Gender: Female Record Type: Birth Birth Date: 23 Apr 1895 Birth Poor Law Union: Southwark Birth Place: Southwark, Southwark, England Father: Alfred Harverson Mother: Ellen Harverson Register Type: Parish Register
Another childhood death:
Edith Mabel Harverson in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Edith Mabel Harverson Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Death Registration Place: Camberwell, London, United Kingdom Death Date: Dec 1895 Inferred Death Place: London, United Kingdom Volume: 1d Page: 458
John Ernest survived into adudlthood - but probably only just:
John Harverson in the London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911 Name: John Harverson Gender: Male Age: 3 Birth Date: 30 Dec 1889 Admission Date: 1 May 1893 School: Flint Street School Father: Alfred Harverson Notes: Flint Street School (0313) opened in or before 1873. Girls and Boys Departments were remodelled in 1873. Closed or reorganised in 194-
Address: 4 Hillery (?) Road.
John Ernest Harverson in the 1911 England Census Name: John Ernest Harverson Age in 1911: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relation to Head: Patient Gender: Male Birth Place: England Civil Parish: St Marylebone County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: Royal National Orthopoedic Hospital, 234 Great Portland Street W Marital status: Single Occupation: Builder's Labourer Registration District Number: 7 Sub-registration District: All Souls ED, institution, or vessel: 21-24 Piece: 536
?? John Harverson in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: John Harverson Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Death Registration Place: Uxbridge, Middlesex, United Kingdom Death Date: Mar 1912 Inferred Death Place: Middlesex, United Kingdom Volume: 3a Page: 37a
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ArgyllGran
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10 Dec 2022 16:25 |
Looks like Albert Daniel went to Australia to be a farmer.
Mr A D Harverson in the UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Name: Mr A D Harverson Gender: Male Departure Age: 23 Birth Date: abt 1888 Departure Date: 21 Sep 1911 Departure Port: England Ship Name: Demosthenes Shipping Line: Aberdeen Line Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
A tree on Ancestry says he married Ruby Diamond Herdman, on 23 Sep 1916 at St Michael Church, Surry Hills, New South Wales, Australia.
Ruby Diamond Harverson in the Australia and New Zealand, Find a Grave Index, 1800s-Current Name: Ruby Diamond Harverson Death Date: 31 May 1976 Cemetery: Eastern Suburbs Memorial Park Burial or Cremation Place: Matraville, Randwick City, New South Wales, Australia Has Bio?: N
With Albert Daniel at Wise Street, South Randwick:
Ruby Diamond Harverson in the Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 Name: Ruby Diamond Harverson Gender: Female Electoral Date: 1930 Electoral Place: Maroubra, South Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Albert Daniel Harverson in the New South Wales, Australia, Index to Deceased Estate Files, 1859-1958 Name: Albert Daniel Harverson Residence Place: Maroubra Junction Death Date: 8 Jun 1953 Death Place: New South Wales, Australia Occupation: Caretaker File Number: B 84145
Albert Daniel Harverson in the Australia and New Zealand, Find a Grave Index, 1800s-Current Name: Albert Daniel Harverson Death Date: 8 Jun 1953 Cemetery: Eastern Suburbs Memorial Park Burial or Cremation Place: Matraville, Randwick City, New South Wales, Australia Has Bio?: N
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