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Could anyone help please. I'm trying to find more info on
Thomas Evans b. 1867 Liverpool, he married in 1892 to Annie Cross b. 1875 heswall.
I've found them in the 1901 census, but cannot locate a birth.

Thomas's parents where John Evans b. 1844 Mold, he married Margaret Jones b. 1845 Llanddeiniol, Anglesey. Not sure when they married, but cannot find birth for them either and only found them on the 1881 census.

Any help would be appreciated, thank you.

Have you checked out all the Thomas Evans born in Liverpool on www.freebmd.org.uk?

There are several possibles. Don’t forget that if you took the birth year from the census it could be at least a year out. Use the same site to look for the rest.

As per your thread re the Matthews family - please post the relevant census to help us

Thomas and Annie look to have Married in Chester -

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1892 (>99%)
CROSS Annie Chester 8a 631
EVANS Thomas Chester 8a 631
McBride Elizabeth Chester 8a 631
PRICE James Chester 8a 631

Where are the 2 couples?

Birth registration didn't become compulsory until the mid 1870's

There are options for all 4 births on freebmd but it is a huge task with those surnames.

Added: three people apart from yourself have a Thomas Evans 1867 Liverpool in their tree. Go to Search/Search all members trees and try all four of your names.

Is this them in 1901?

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Brook Street, Neston, Neston cum Parkgate, Wirral, Cheshire, England

Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Evans Head
Married Male 34 1867 Laundryman Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Annie Evans Wife
Married Female 25 1876 - Neston, Cheshire, England
John H Evans Son
- Male 7 1894 Scholar Flintshire, Wales
Winifred Evans Daughter
- Female 6 1895 Scholar Flintshire, Wales
Hannah M Evans Daughter
- Female 4 1897 - Neston, Cheshire, England
Elsie Evans Daughter
- Female 0 1901 - Neston, Cheshire, England

As there were no penalties for not registering births until 1875, his may simply not have been registered.

Buy a copy of the marriage cert to find out if he knew his father

How have you decided who his parents were without having found - with absolute certainty - a birth registration?

John and Margaret.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Railway Cottage, Padeswood, Mold, Holywell, Flintshire, Wales

Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Evans Head
Married Male 46 1845 Pump engine man Padeswood, Flintshire, Wales
Margaret Evans Wife
Married Female 45 1846 - Llanfihangel, Anglesey, Wales
John H Evans Son
Single Male 21 1870 Plate layer Buckley, Flintshire, Wales
Daniel Evans Son
- Male 14 1877 Spelter worker Padeswood, Flintshire, Wales
George Evans Son
- Male 12 1879 Scholar Padeswood, Flintshire, Wales
Annie Evans Daughter
- Female 10 1881 Scholar Padeswood, Flintshire, Wales



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Padeswood Cottage, Mold, Holywell, Flintshire, Wales

Household members (8 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Evans Head
Married Male 37 1844 Labourer Mold, Flintshire, Wales
Margaret Evans Wife
Married Female 32 1849 Labourer wife Llanddeiniol, Anglesey, Wales
Thomas Evans Son
Single Male 14 1867 Labourer Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John H Evans Son
Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Flintshire, Wales
Hannah Evans Daughter
Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Flintshire, Wales
Daniel Evans Son
Single Male 5 1876 - Flintshire, Wales
George Evans Son
Single Male 3 1878 - Flintshire, Wales
Annie Evans Daughter
Single Female 0 1881 - Flintshire, Wales


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Nantmawr, Mold, Holywell, Flintshire, Wales

Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Evans Head
- Male 27 1844 - Flintshire, Wales
Margaret Evans Wife
- Female 22 1849 - Anglesey, Wales
Thomas Evans Son
- Male 3 1868 - Lancashire, England
John Henry Evans Son
- Male 1 1870 - Flintshire, Wales

The family are on a number of Ancestry trees.

Possible marriage for John and Margaret if Thomas was their first born in Liverpool

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)
BEÜING Anna Liverpool 8b 211
DEHMANN Hartwig Liverpool 8b 211
EVANS John Liverpool 8b 211
JONES Margaret Liverpool 8b 211

England Marriages 1538-1973
Liverpool, Lancashire, England

First name(s) John
Last name Evans
Spouse's first name(s) Margaret
Spouse's last name Jones
Spouse's age
Marriage year 1866
Marriage date 15 May 1866
Marriage place Liverpool
County Lancashire
Name note -
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973

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Lancashire Banns & Marriages
Liverpool, Our Lady and St Nicholas, Lancashire, England


First name(s) John
Last name Evans
Age Full
Marital status Bachelor
Residence Brooks ST
Occupation Labourer
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Evans
Father's occupation Labourer

Spouse's first name(s) Margaret
Spouse's last name Jones
Spouse's marital status Spinster
Spouse's residence Plumber St
spouse's Age Full
Spouse's father's first name(s) Henry
Spouse's father's last name Jones
Spouse's father's occupation Farmer
Year 1866
Marriage year 1866
Marriage date 15 May 1866
Place Liverpool, Our Lady and St Nicholas
Denomination Church Of England
Witness 1 Edward Roberts
Witness 2 Elizabeth Hughes
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive Liverpool Record Office
Diocese Liverpool
Archive reference 283-NIC-3-66
Register type Marriages
Record set Lancashire Banns & Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Collections from England, Great Britain

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Railway Cottage, Padeswood, Mold, Holywell, Flintshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Evans Head Married Male 46 1845 Pump engine man Padeswood, Flintshire, Wales
Margaret Evans Wife Married Female 45 1846 - Llanfihangel, Anglesey, Wales
John H Evans Son Single Male 21 1870 Plate layer Buckley, Flintshire, Wales
Daniel Evans Son - Male 14 1877 Spelter worker Padeswood, Flintshire, Wales
George Evans Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Padeswood, Flintshire, Wales
Annie Evans Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar Padeswood, Flintshire, Wales

Thomas and Annie Evans in 1901 (posted earlier by alviegal, but births here from the GRO site)

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Brook Street, Neston, Neston cum Parkgate, Wirral, Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Evans Head Married Male 34 1867 Laundryman Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Annie Evans Wife Married Female 25 1876 - Neston, Cheshire, England
John H Evans Son - Male 7 1894 Scholar Flintshire, Wales
Winifred Evans Daughter - Female 6 1895 Scholar Flintshire, Wales
Hannah M Evans Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Neston, Cheshire, England
Elsie Evans Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Neston, Cheshire, England

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
EVANS, WINIFRED CROSS
GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in HOLYWELL Volume 11B Page 217


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
EVANS, HANNAH MARGARET CROSS
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in WIRRAL Volume 08A Page 452

??? Possibility for Thomas' birth

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
EVANS, THOMAS JONES
GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 392

1911 Census For England & Wales
48 Chesnut Grove Bootle, Bootle cum Linacre, Lancashire, England

Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Annie Evans Wife
Married Female 36 1875 - Heswall Cheshire
Hannah Evans Daughter
Single Female 14 1897 School Neston Cheshire
Elsie May Evans Daughter
Single Female 11 1900 School Neston Cheshire
Cora Evans Daughter
Single Female 7 1904 School Heswall Cheshire
Ivy Evans Daughter
Single Female 3 1908 - St Helens Lancs
Thomas Leonard Evans Son
Single Male 0 (9 weeks) 1911 - Bootle Lancs


Thomas Evans 40, engine driver b Liverpool, John H 17 b Chester, and Winifred 16 b Neston have all been scored out. Ten children born but 3 have died.

Thomas Evans
in the UK, British Army World War I Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: Thomas Evans
Gender: Male
Enlistment Age: 42
Birth Date: abt 1873
Document Date: 1915
Residence Place: 28 Marsh Road, Rhyl
Military Date: 1915
Relationship to Soldier: Self (Head)
Regimental Number: 397403
Other Regimental Numbers: 37602, 700922
Regiment Name: Army Service Corps (Mechanical Transport)
Number of Images: 6
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Thomas Evans Self (Head)
Winifred Evans Child - 1/1/1895
Hannah M Evans Child - 27/1/1897
Elsie May Evans Child - 20/3/1900
Cora Evans Child - 2/9/1902
Ivy Helena Evans Child - 22/5/1907
Thomas L Evans Child - 24/1/1911

Occupation: engine driver.
Are you married? No.
NOK: Daughter, Winifred Evans, Telegraph Road, Heswall, Cheshire.

Served in France, 3/4/1916 - 28/2/1918
24/12/1918, no longer physically fit for war service.
Rheumatism and sciatica.

Then 1919 - with Labour corps.
NOK: Ivy Helena Evans, 7 Chapel Row, Leeswood near Mold.
Discharged 28/11/1919.
Address on discharge: Seaford (?) Road, Chester.
Fresh complexion, blue eyes, grey hair.

Death of son Thomas Leonard:

Thomas Leonard Evans
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Thomas Leonard Evans
Death Age: 69
Birth Date: 24 Jan 1911
Registration Date: Apr 1980[May 1980] [Jun 1980]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Rhuddlan
Inferred County: Clwyd
Volume: 24
Page: 0795