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Teresa
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4 Aug 2022 11:26 |
Hi, am looking for a friend's Grandfather. Albert Wright born 12/6/1889 at Holbeach, Lincs. He comes up on the 1901 census as 11 years old with Father Charles,42, wife Rebecca 33 and Alberts siblings Alfred 21, Fanny 17, Bertie 16, and Millicent 14. My friend remembers the names of Bertie, Millie and Alf as being her Grandfathers siblings so I'm pretty sure on the right track. Going back to 1891 census, Charles 33, but wife is Emma33, with Alfred11, Mabel 9 ,Fanny 7, Bertie 5, Millicent 3 but no Albert!! I have tried various ways of finding Albert but no luck. Obviously he must be somewhere if he was born in 1889 and that is his correct date of birth, been checked. I did find a death for an Emma Ann Wright, June qtr 1892 age 35 in Holbeck also on same page a baby Florence Mary born and died, so Emma possibly died in childbirth?? We would be very grateful for some help. Thank you, Teresa
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ArgyllGran
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4 Aug 2022 12:04 |
Florence Mary wasn't Emma's child:
WRIGHT, FLORENCE MARY mmn WOODS GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in HOLBEACH Volume 07A Page 433
Emma's name was Walton.
Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%) WALTON Emma Holbeach 7a 571 Wright Charles Holbeach 7a 571
WRIGHT, ALBERT mmn WALTON GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in HOLBEACH Volume 07A Page 392 Occasional Copy: A
WRIGHT, MILLICENT mmn WALTON GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in HOLBEACH Volume 07A Page 407
WRIGHT, FANNY mmn WALTON GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in SPALDING Volume 07A Page 406
WRIGHT, BERTIE mmn WALTON GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in SPALDING Volume 07A Page 411
WRIGHT, MABEL mmn WALTON GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in SPALDING Volume 07A Page 370
Charles's second marriage ???:
Marriages Mar 1894 (>99%) Vickers Rebecca Spalding 7a 606 Wright Charles Spalding 7a 606
Two children who died:
WRIGHT, MAUD VICKERS GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in SPALDING Volume 07A Page 409 Deaths Dec 1896 (>99%) Wright Maud 0 Spalding 7a 237
WRIGHT, ROSE VICKERS GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in SPALDING Volume 07A Page 359 Deaths Sep 1894 (>99%) Wright Rose 0 Spalding 7a 191
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ArgyllGran
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4 Aug 2022 12:07 |
You say Albert's not on the 1891 census. Yes, he is!
Albert Wright in the 1891 England Census Name: Albert Wright Gender: Male Age: 1 Relationship: Son Birth Year: 1890 Father: Charles Wright Mother: Emma Wright Birth Place: Whaplode, Lincolnshire, England Civil parish: Whaplode Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Residence Place: Saracens Head, Whaplode, Lincolnshire, England Registration district: Holbeach Sub registration district: Holbeach ED, Institution or Vessel: 16 Neighbors: Piece: 2569 Folio: 167 Household Members Age Relationship Charles Wright 33 Head Emma Wright 33 Wife Alfred Wright 11 Son Mabel Wright 9 Daughter Fanny Wright 7 Daughter Bertie Wright 5 Son Melicent Wright 3 Daughter Albert Wright 1 Son Charles Walton 75 Visitor
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Teresa
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4 Aug 2022 12:07 |
Thankyou ArgyllGran.
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Teresa
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4 Aug 2022 12:09 |
Thanks again, I will just have me lunch and get back to it, must need my eyes testing!!
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ArgyllGran
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4 Aug 2022 12:20 |
For our reference, the burial of the Emma Ann you mention:
Emma Ann Wright in the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 Name: Emma Ann Wright Gender: Female Death Age: 35 Birth Date: 1857 Death Date: abt 1892 Burial Date: 3 May 1892 Burial Place: Holbeach, Lincoln, England FHL Film Number: 1542149
You'd need to get a copy of the death cert to know for sure if she's the right Emma.
BUT - Emma has no middle name quoted in 1891, 1881, 1871 (as Walton), 1861 (as Waltham), nor at marriage or birth.
WALTER, EMMA mmn COCKER GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in HOLBEACH Volume 07A Page 307 .
Births Sep 1856 (>99%) Walton Emma Holbeach 7a 307
Parents: Charles Walton/Waltham/Walter and Frances Cocker/Cooker.
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alviegal
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4 Aug 2022 12:23 |
Whaplode. — May 1, the Saracen's Head, Emma Ann wife of Charles Wright, 35. 06 May 1892 - Stamford Mercury - Stamford, Lincolnshire, England
Does not expand on how she died.
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Teresa
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4 Aug 2022 14:02 |
Thank-you all for the info, just a note to alviegal - My friend told me last night that " May had the Saracen's Head pub in Holbeach!" she does not know who May was just one of the names in the family that were on the Wright side somewhere. Teresa
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ArgyllGran
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4 Aug 2022 15:25 |
"May" is Abert's sister Mabel.
Mabel Reid in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Mabel Reid Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 25 Oct 1881 Residence Date: 1939 Address: The Old Saraclu's Head Inn <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Residence Place: East Elloe, Lincolnshire (Parts of Holland), England Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties Line Number: 21 Schedule Number: 61 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: Thel Borough: East Elloe Registration district: Whaplode-Saracen's Head Inferred Spouse: Sydney Reid Household Members Age Sydney Reid 63 - Licensed victualler and land worker. Mabel Reid 58 Edna M Johnson 24 This record is officially closed.
Mabel Reid in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Mabel Reid Death Age: 80 Birth Date: abt 1882 Registration Date: Apr 1962[May 1962] [Jun 1962] Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration District: East Elloe Inferred County: Lincolnshire Volume: 3b Page: 37
WRIGHT, MABEL mmn WALTON GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in SPALDING Volume 07A Page 370
?? Mabel Reid in the 1911 England Census Name: Mabel Reid Age in 1911: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Female Birth Place: Sutton St Edmunds, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Nuneaton Country: England Street Address: 107 Croft Rd Stockingford Nuneaton Marital status: Married Occupation: Shop Assistant Drapery Registration District Number: 388 Sub-registration District: Nuneaton ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Piece: 18471 Household Members: Name Age William Armstrong 31 Mabel Reid 30 Susannah J Thompson 72
??? Sydney Reid in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Sydney Reid Registration Year: 1908 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Islington Inferred County: London Volume: 1b Page: 740 Records on Page: Name Sydney Reid Mabel Wright
Re Old Saracens Head Inn, with mention of Mabel, wrongly named as Maud:
https://www.heritagesouthholland.co.uk/article/13989/
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ArgyllGran
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4 Aug 2022 15:40 |
Sydney Reid in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995 Name: Sydney Reid Death Date: 6 Sep 1954 Death Place: Lincolnshire, Lincoln, England Probate Date: 22 Aug 1962 Probate Registry: Lincoln, England
REID Sydney of Saracens Head, Whaplode, Lincolnshire died 6 September 1954. Administration to Lena Grace Barnett (wife of Walter Campbell Barnett). Effects £356 4s.
Marriages Jun 1936 (>99%) Barnett Walter C Reid E. Elloe 7a 1213 Reid Lena G Barnett E.Elloe 7a 1213
Births Sep 1911 (>99%) Reid Lena G Wright Edmonton 3a 947
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Teresa
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4 Aug 2022 19:45 |
Wow, thank-you very much. Is there any chance of the 1861 census for Charles Wright born c1857 in Essex. Thank-you Teresa
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ArgyllGran
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4 Aug 2022 21:44 |
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Charles Wright in the 1861 England Census Name: Charles Wright Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: 1857 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Wright Mother's Name: Susan Wright Gender: Male Where born: Stratford, Essex, England Civil parish: Holbeach Ecclesiastical parish: Lincoln Town: Holbeach County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Registration district: Holbeach Sub-registration district: Holbeach ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 16 Piece: 2329 Folio: 70 Page number: 4 Household Members Age Relationship John Wright 31 Head - Stratford, Essex Susan Wright 30 Wife - Holbeach Emma Wright 10 Daughter - Stratford Matilda Wright 8 Daughter - Stratford Charles Wright 4 Son - Stratford
1871 says Charles born Holbeach; 1881 says born Gravesend; 1891 and 1901 say Grays, Essex;
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Teresa
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5 Aug 2022 17:56 |
Thank-you very much, I was a bit muddled with the difference of the birth places. :-S
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ArgyllGran
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5 Aug 2022 20:02 |
Can't find births for Charles or his sisters Emma and Matilda listed in 1861 above.
But birth registration wasn't compusory in England until 1875.
Other siblings in 1871:
Mary Ann Wright in the 1871 England Census Name: Mary Ann Wright Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: 1868 Relation: Daughter Gender: Female Where born: Holbeach, Lincolnshire, England Civil parish: Holbeach Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: Holbeach County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Registration district: Holbeach Sub-registration district: Holbeach ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 90 Piece: 3330 Folio: 77 Page number: 16 Household Members Age Relationship Susan Wright 39 Head Charles Wright 13 Son Elizabeth Wright 7 Daughter Mary Ann Wright 3 Daughter Ellen Wright 10/12 Daughter
WRIGHT, MARY ANN mmn COOK GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in HOLBEACH Volume 07A Page 340
WRIGHT, ELIZABETH ANN mmn COOK GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in HOLBEACH Volume 07A Page 374
WRIGHT, ELLEN mmn COOK GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in HOLBEACH Volume 07A Page 382
Can't see a marriage of a John Wright and Susan Cook.
1861 - Susan said to be born Holbeach. 1871 (if it's the same family as in 1861) - says she was born in Essex. 1881 - Dunmore (?), Kent. [ There doesn't seem to be any such place.] 1891 - Essex 1901 - Chelmsford, Essex
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Teresa
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7 Aug 2022 18:28 |
Hi ArgyllGran, Thank you for this extra, will pass it all on to Diane, she will be very pleased to get this information. Teresa.
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