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3 Aug 2022 07:58 |
What an amazing poem.
Reading it, thinking that’s just how it used to be, then BAM. So very descriptive.
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ArgyllGran
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2 Aug 2022 21:14 |
Thanks for offering to repay the transcript fee - but there's no need. I'm happy to have satisfied my own curiosity.
As ErikaH says, there's no need to have a sub to FMP in order to search the 1921 census. I don't.
Interesting to read his poem. I can imagine him reciting it, very dramatically!
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ErikaH
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2 Aug 2022 19:16 |
You don’t need to be a subscriber to FMP
EVERYONE can access 1921 - and they ALL have to pay - even those with the most expensive package for the site
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Gillikins
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2 Aug 2022 18:57 |
Oh I’m shocked. I was just about to look for this record, but I don’t have a sub for fmp. Thank you so much, I’d like to repay somehow. ??
So the newspaper was correct that he first came to perrotts buildings. So we found you then in 1921 William.! His granddaughter wants his photo, don’t we all! And she is sending for certs of marriage and death with haste.
Maybe I could type out one of his poems. .
THR WRECK OF THE MANCHESTER EXPRESS .. WELLINGBOROUGH September 2nd, 1898.
Lines composed by W A Jeffs , the well known Blind Reciter.
Leaving London's crowded city by the most convenient train, Some quite out of breath with running, comfortable seats to gain, Fond farewells in haste are spoken, some regret they cannot stay Others gladly hear the whistle, and the guard call "right away!" Now she's off! The brakes are lifted, and the mighty iron steed Bears away it's precious burden, ever with increasing speed, And the lover fondly gazes till the train is out of sight Thinking of his love and hoping she will reach home all right. Homeward bound! With brightest prospects, dreams of future happiness. Fill the minds of some who travel by the Manchester Express. Homeward bound! The pleasure ended of a lengthy holiday. Duty's call must be attended, though one fain would longer stay. Some are reading, some are smoking, some perhaps to sleep incline Others with their friends are joking in the carriage, where they dine Ted and Jack upon the engine, they might feel well proud to drive Thinking of a smiling welcome when at Leicester they arrive Homeward bound! Their final journey the the day of toil is o'er Never for a moment dreaming they would run that train no more Now the engine's speed is slackened, Bedford station is in sight Here the carriage wheels are tested, here some passengers alight Hark! The whistle! All is ready; once again she's "Right away!" Oh that something unexpected might have caused a slight delay All is well each signal tells them, and they swiftly pass it by Onward, through the verdant meadows, down the hill they almost fly. Then along the bank she dashes; is there any cause for fear? Yes! Oh heaven! A red light flashes, there is awful danger near. Quickly Ted springs to his lever, and the brake is well applied But alas! Their cause is hopeless, and to certain death they ride. On the line a truck is lying, which the engine hurls along See, the wood in fragments flying, but the iron frame is strong Onward to the points it rushes, will it cross them with success? No, a crash! And all is over with the Manchester Express Like some captive monster making frantic efforts to be free From the metals leap’s the engine, then, oh dreadful sight to see! Up the bank it madly plunges, falling back completely wreck'd; Oh, what awful mischief cometh from one act of slight neglect Fine new cars, all smashed and scattered, and the engine overturned Glass and earthenware all shattered, luggage into ashes burned Groans of pain, and cries of terror, break up the still night air, And the fire among the wreckage, sheds around a lurid glare. There a corpse all torn and mangled, Ted, the gallant driver lay And poor Jack, his dying comrade, was picked up not far away. None of those who gazed upon it will forget the dreadful sight Or the groans of mortal anguish heard that sad September night Soon the Ambulance arriving. Render valuable aid Doctors also in attendance, their investigations made Eight of those severely injured to the hospital were sent Others to hotels were taken or to private houses went All that human skill could render for those sufferers was done And we say to all who helped them "Ye our thanks have nobly won" Seven in all, Death claimed as victims (though we hoped there would be less) Of the hapless souls who travelled in the Manchester Express Thou, Who art the Great Physician, sympathising with our grief Hear us, and to those who suffer, in Thy mercy and relief To the sad and broken hearted, let Thy healing balm be given. And may those so cruelly parted be united yet in heaven Grant that we may never witness such an awful sight again Such a scene of woe and anguish as the wrecking of a train. W. A. Jeffs
Sorry it’s a bit graphic, and I don't know how to attach the picture of the wreck, exactly as he described it, strewn up the bank,
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ArgyllGran
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2 Aug 2022 16:52 |
Having been hooked by this story, to satisfy my own curiosity I've lashed out and paid for the transcript of the 1921 record for William Joffrey, suggested earlier.
First name(s) William Arthur Parish Tormoham Last name Joffrey Registration district Newton Abbot Sex Male Registration district number 272 Birth year 1869 Sub-district Torquay Census date 19 June 1921 Sub-district number 6 Age in years 51 Enumeration district number 18 Age in months 10 County Devon Age as transcribed 51 y 10 m Country England Relationship to head Head Borough, urban or rural district Torquay MB Marital status Married Ward of borough or urban district Strand Birth place Northamptonshire, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Parliamentary borough or division Devonshire PC, Torquay Div. Birth county Northamptonshire Archive The National Archives Birth country England Archive series RG 15 Transcribed birth place Northamptonshire Piece number 10471 Occupation Own Account Schedule number 231 Occupation code 965 Schedule type code E Occupation code with suffix 965/4 Employer Street Musician Blind <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< District reference RD 272 RS 6 ED 18 Employer code 759 Other household member's first name(s) Mary Ann Language used to complete form English Other household member's last name Joffrey Person making return Mr Jeffs <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Record set 1921 Census Of England & Wales House number 7 Category Census, land & surveys Street Perrotts Buildings Subcategory Census Address 7 Perrotts Buildings Collections from Great Britain, England Full address as transcribed 7 Perrots Buildings <<<<<<<<<<<
Mary Ann is described as born 1865,; age 55 years 7 months; housekeeper, single.
I'm inclined to assume that Mary Ann's surname is Joffrey (or possibly Jeffrey), and William's name has been mistranscribed as also Joffrey. They've got his name right as the person who filled in the form - .Mr Jeffs.
Don't see Mary Ann definitely anywhere else.
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Gillikins
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2 Aug 2022 15:44 |
Just a few extras, it seems Charlotte lived until 1957. But in 1917 she had a boy to another man, it is thought the one she was working for. His photo is held by my relative, and information about that boys life came from his relatives. So it is possible the story about him writing to ask for Charlotte be put to workhouse may have come from them, I’m only guessing.
Making a time line, I find that Charlotte was sent to prison (given info)on 22.11.1909 for 14 days, and William's boots being stolen in Newton Abbott 3rd march 1910 date of newspaper article.
I’m told he was a basket maker on previous censuses. Looking at other search results for ER I see a Billy Jeffs in Devon middle years 1920s, but still not to be found in 1911.
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ArgyllGran
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2 Aug 2022 12:16 |
William Arthur still in Northants in July 1907.
Charlotte Jeffs in the Bedfordshire, England, Workhouse and Poor Law Records, 1835-1914 Name: Charlotte Jeffs Gender: Female Age: 26 Birth Date: abt 1881 Residence Date: 1907 Residence Place: Bedford, Bedford, Bedfordshire, England Poor Law Union: Bedford Description: Admission and Discharge Register, Casuals
Charlotte Jeffs, laundress, and Walter Ernest, 5 months, both admitted on Tuesday 25 June 1907, having spent the previous night in Wellingborough. Both discharged on June 26th, to Wellingborough.
So that would just be for medical reasons, and not for long-term residence.
Re-admitted on Tuesday 2 July - Charlotte, Walter Ernest, and William Arthur, 38, basketmaker, blind. They'd all spent the previous night in Biggleswade. All discharged the following day, going to Wellingborough.
Change of occupation from basketmaker to street musician? Or poet and reciter, as in your opening post.
But so many things do fit, as you say.
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ArgyllGran
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2 Aug 2022 12:04 |
If he's the same man, Matilda must have been mistaken in thinking that he'd been in Torquay for 36 years.
Charlotte must have entered the workhouse at some time between 1906 and 1909. Where did the info that William had asked for her to be admitted come from?
If true, then William went to Devon between 1906 and whenever she was admitted - before 1909, and presumably after the conception of Lilian May, which would have been in 1907.
Lilian May's address at baptism in October 1908, and at her burial in November 1908, is "Workhouse".
Re "Workhouse Escapades" -
Charlotte Jeffs and Eliza Parker, inmates at the Workhouse, were charged with fighting that (Monday) morning. Labour Master Dickins said that they had a lot of trouble with the defendants, and had tried them on bread and water without effect. The Chairman asked if they could not be separated, and was answered that there was no convenience. The Chairman: You could send one of them to Northampton. Witness: The remaining one would quarrel with the others. Eliza Wykes said the quarrel was over a floor flannel. Parker hit Jeffs and the latter picked up a bucket of soap suds and threw over her. Northampton Mercury Northamptonshire, England 26 Nov 1909
HIGHAM FERRERS
... Coroner (Mr. C. H. Davis), on Tues ... . . . . .Jeffs, aged seven weeks. Charlotte Jeffs, mother of the deceased, deposed that the child seemed ill on Friday, and became worse on Saturday, when she sent for a doctor. It died at 5.25 p.m. on Saturday. Sarah Rush said she saw the child on Saturday, and told the mother that she thought the child was dying, and that they ought to have a doctor.—Dr. J. K. Hyde, Earl’s Barton, said that when he visited the house the child was lying dead in perambulator downstairs. It had been dead for some time. In his opinion the child died from thrush, and would probably refuse food for some hours, perhaps days, before its death. William Jeffs, father of the child, stated that he went for a doctor, but as he was blind lost himself several times. —The jury returned a verdict of “Death from natural causes.” ...
Published: Friday 04 May 1906 Newspaper: Northampton Mercury
The child above: JEFFS, BERTHA ELIZABETH mmn FARRER GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in WELLINGBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 113
Deaths Jun 1906 (>99%) Jeffs Bertha Elizabeth 0 Wellingborough 3b 73
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Gillikins
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2 Aug 2022 11:11 |
Having no success so far like yourself. Strange that so many details fit our man.
I’m waiting for a few details from my relation who is so delighted with your finds. She says that a newspaper article 1909 Northampton, where Charlotte Jeffs and Eliza Parker are fighting in the workhouse. WORKHOUSE ESCAPADES. Apparently, and yet to be confirmed, he wrote from Newton Abbott to ask for his wife to be put in the workhouse !? His granddaughter also says that when he married Charlotte in 1903 he had his own house. She is trying to obtain a copy of a small paperback mentioned in an early newspaper which could be bought for 2d. ( irrelevant information, but interesting).
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Gillikins
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1 Aug 2022 20:51 |
oh!! thanks for sticking with it... i'll take a look at that
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ArgyllGran
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1 Aug 2022 18:48 |
??? wondering about these people in 1921 -
William Arthur Joffrey 1869 Northamptonshire, England Tormoham Newton Abbot Devon
He's with a Mary Ann Joffrey, 1865, born Devonport.
I don't see these people in any other record.
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ArgyllGran
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1 Aug 2022 18:21 |
Of course I should have known that wasn't William Arthur in Liverpool in 1921. According to Matilda he was in Torquay then.
Still can't see him, though! Also he's not listed at either Perrott's Buildings or Melville Street in 1901 or 1911.
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Gillikins
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1 Aug 2022 14:37 |
Oh so sorry, I can’t find him either ??
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ErikaH
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1 Aug 2022 14:02 |
So I wasted a lot of my time finding info about Walter :-( :-( :-( :-(
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Gillikins
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1 Aug 2022 13:15 |
Just looked at that 1911 for William Jeffs in Liverpool, b. 1864, I think it says that he is. Crew, and a watchman on a ship called Greyhound. So I don’t think it’s him, as he was blind.
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Gillikins
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1 Aug 2022 13:04 |
Well, it goes to prove what good researchers you are. All is completely correct except for guessing Agnes Callaghans birth. Agnes born 1912 mother Wilton Manchester, lancs. That covered in another thread about Annie Townsend and Joseph Moore Wilton/ Edward .Thomas Cousins.
Walter married Maud Marjorie Rees Jones who gave birth to Madge, that is Marjorie, his sole beneficiary. This wife left him and left Madge tied in a chair, until he came home. He then got together with Agnes Callaghan and had more children, but could not ever marry her, as Maud (and she used lots of other names) could not be found. Agnes lived as Walter's wife.
By the way, the history of Maud was uncovered, and Madge got to see her mother in a nursing home just before the mother's death.
We really are getting to the bottom of this, a big thanks
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ErikaH
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1 Aug 2022 12:38 |
Name: Walter Ernest Jeffs Birth Date: 24 Jan 1907 Service: 1939-1945 Medal Issued/Claimed: 1946-2002 Discharge Number: 1092128
Name: Walter Ernest Jeffs Birth Date: 24 Jan 1907 Birth Place: Wellingborough, Northamptonshire Date: 1908-1955 Service Number: AX 13343
Name: Walter E Jeffs Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 24 Jan 1907 Residence Date: 1939 Address: 75 Parr Lane Residence Place: Bury, Lancashire, England Occupation: Lineman, Sectional Eng G P O Line Number: 36 Schedule Number: 138 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: Ngbk Borough: Bury Registration district: 462-1 Inferred Spouse: Agnes Jeffs Household Members Age Walter E Jeffs 32 Agnes Jeffs 27 (DoB 9/11/1912) This record is officially closed. Walter L. 2 This record is officially closed.
Name: Walter E Jeffs Appointed Date: 1923 Appointed Place: England Industry: Postal Service
Name: Walter Ernest Jeffs Death Date: 11 May 1961 Death Place: Lancashire, England Probate Date: 2 Nov 1962 Probate Registry: Manchester, Chester, England
Probate to Marjorie Maud Ada Mason (wife of Joseph Mason)
Births Sep 1930 (>99%) Jeffs Marjorie M A Jones Bristol 6a 10
JEFFS, MARJORIE MAUD ADA GRO Reference: 1930 S Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 10
Marriages Sep 1952 (>99%) JEFFS Marjorie M A MASON Bury 10b 1577 MASON Joseph JEFFS Bury 10b 1577
Marriages Sep 1929 (>99%) Jeffs Walter E Jones Bristol 6a 546 Jones Maud M R Jeffs Bristol 6a 546
Name: Agnes Jeffs Death Age: 54 Birth Date: abt 1912 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec 1966 Registration District: Heywood Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 10c Page: 443
Births Sep 1937 (>99%) Jeffs Walter L Callaghan Heywood 8c 655 More Jeffs/Callaghan births on freebmd
Name: Maud Marjorie Rees Jones Baptism Date: 4 Dec 1910 Baptism Place: Easton, Bristol, England Parish as it Appears: All Hallows Register Type: Parish Register Father: Tom Briarley Jones Mother: Edith Maud Jones
Name: Maud Marjorie Jeffs.......living with her father? Residence Year: 1932 Parliamentary Division: Thornbury Residence Place: Gloucestershire, England
???????????? Births Dec 1912 (>99%) Callaghan Agnes Kirk Leeds 9b 740
Taken at face value, Walter and Maud must have separated, and he took up with Agnes, but didn't marry her
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ErikaH
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1 Aug 2022 11:20 |
I found the ER info I posted on FMP
Jeffs Matilda — — 1931 England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1910-1932 Devon, England
Jeffs William A — — 1931 England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1910-1932 Devon, England
ADDRESS 20 Melville Street
As posted above yesterday
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Gillikins
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1 Aug 2022 11:17 |
Ok. Thanks it was a gift then, from Erika for 1931
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ArgyllGran
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1 Aug 2022 11:04 |
The Electoral Rolls here on GR don't really go back before 2002.
Ancestry and FMP have ERs for certain towns or areas, but not all.
ERs for Torquay for the 1920s-1930s are not on Ancestry. Nor on FMP , as far as I can see.
The British Library has all Electoral Rolls, but you can only view them in person.
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