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9 Jul 2022 14:07 |
Your help would be much appreciated please. If I put any more info up then it will probably confuse even more.
I come in with the following marriage and the Redhead's are the last section of a big tree for a friend
Wm Hy Cowperthwaite married Annie Redhead 3.8.1879 at St Luke's, Skerton, Lancaster. She is 20 and d/o Thomas Redhead an Overlooker at the Mill.
William has parents Wm and Mary, no siblings and G/parents John / Agnes Cowperthwaite and Henry / Mary Hudson.
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Back Street, Ingleton, Settle, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Cowperthwate Head Married Male 23 1858 Railway fireman Skerton, Lancashire Alice** Cowperthwate Wife Married Female 22 1859 Housewife Skerton, Lancashire Elizabeth Cowperthwate Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Skerton, Lancashire
**No idea why Alice but Annie in following census
From Lancs, via Yorks and Derbys they end up in Nottingham by 1901 with children Elizabeth, Agnes, William, John, Charles, Annie and Mary (Mary is my friends Grandmother)
That's the background. I'm trying to go backwards with Annie's parents. I like to follow each parent from birth/baptism to death and record siblings birth/baptisms.
There is a baptism of an Ann Sandham Redhead 24.10.1858 also at St Luke's, d/o Thomas a Miller and Elizabeth of Skerton Is this the right Ann?
and a marriage in 1856 at Lancaster of a Thomas Redhead age 27 a Miller of Skerton s/o Thomas to Elizabeth Sandham age 24 of Lancaster d/o John Sandham Labourer
This Thomas born c 1829 Skerton.
1861 census - Main Street, Skerton
Thomas Redhead 31 1830 Miller b Skerton Elizabeth Redhead 28 1833 Dressmaker b Skerton Ann Sandham Redhead 2 1859 b Skerton
Did he really marry 3 women by the surname of Sandham and in quick succession?
1. Elizabeth 1856, died 1862 (Child Ann0
2. as a widower to Mary in 1863, she died 1879 d/o Richard a wool comber. Children Sarah Alice, James and Betsy 1871 - Main St, Skerton with Mary, Ann and above 3 children
3. Ellen Bennett nee Sandham 1879, Keithley RD Yorks (possibly sister of Mary - first marr. to Hy Bennett 1859 Lancaster names her Father as Richard). Ellen died 1891 (4. and by 1893 Thomas has remarried to Sarah Leak Doyle in Lancaster) 1881/1891 - Lancaster with Ellen, Sarah A, James, Betsy and 1901 Lancaster with wife Sarah. Thomas dies 1905
Starting to lose the plot at this point and Ancestry trees are not very helpful
Thomas 1829 ? bap. 3.5.1829 Lancaster s/o Thomas and Ann ?Buttle married 1826 Lancaster
Elizabeth c1832 d/o John Sandham and Elizabeth?
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9 Jul 2022 15:10 |
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Main Street, Sherton, Lancaster, Lancashire, England View original record Household members (5 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Redhead Head Widower Male 56 1795 General labourer Skerton, Lancashire, England William Redhead Son Unmarried Male 25 1826 Pauper Sheraton, Lancashire, England Ann Redhead Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1830 Housekeeper Sheraton, Lancashire, England Thomas Redhead Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Silk pieces Sheraton, Lancashire, England Dorothy Redhead Daughter - Female 11 1840 - Sheraton, Lancashire, England
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Main Street, Skerton, Lancaster, Lancashire, England View original record Household members (3 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Redhead Head Married Male 31 1830 ... Skerton, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Redhead Wife Married Female 28 1833 Dressmaker Skerton, Lancashire, England Ann Sandham Redhead Daughter - Female 2 1859 Scholar Skerton, Lancashire, England
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Main Street, Skerton, Lancaster, Lancashire, England View original record Household members (6 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Redhead Head - Male 41 1830 - Lancashire, England Mary Redhead Wife - Female 43 1828 - Lancashire, England Ann Sandhar Redhead Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Lancashire, England Sarah Alice Redhead Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Lancashire, England James Redhead Son - Male 4 1867 - Lancashire, England Betsy Redhead Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Lancashire, England
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census 44, Grasmere Road, Lancaster, Lancashire, England View original record Household members (7 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Redhead Head Married Male 51 1830 Foreman oil cloth works Skerton, Lancashire, England Ellen Redhead Wife Married Female 44 1837 - Lancashire, England Sarah A Redhead Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Cotton weaver Skerton, Lancashire, England James Redhead Son Single Male 14 1867 Porter at oil cloth works Skerton, Lancashire, England Betsy Redhead Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Half time cotton weaver Skerton, Lancashire, England Ann A Bennett Step daughter Single Female 15 1866 Cotton weaver Bradford, Yorkshire, England Mary E Bennett Step daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Bradford, Yorkshire, England
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Ulleswater Road, Lancaster, Lancashire, England View original record Household members (6 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Redhead Head Married Male 60 1831 Foreman table bury works Skerton, Lancashire, England Ellen Redhead Wife Married Female 55 1836 Housekeeper Lancashire, England Sarah A Redhead Daughter Single Female 26 1865 Cotton weaver Skerton, Lancashire, England Betsy Redhead Daughter Single Female 21 1870 Cotton weaver Skerton, Lancashire, England Martha Bennett Stepdaughter Single Female 27 1864 Drawer in cotton mill Newcastle, Northumberland, England Mary E Bennett Stepdaughter Single Female 18 1873 Dressmaker Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Marriage: 9 Jun 1856 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Thomas Redhead - 27, Miller, Bachelor, Skerton Elizabeth Sandham - 24, Spinster, Grasmere Road Groom's Father: Thomas Redhead, Labourer Bride's Father: John Sandham, Labourer Witness: W. T. Beesley; John Beckett Married by Banns by: Jos. Turner, Vicar Register: Marriages 1853 - 1856, Page 245, Entry 489 Source: LDS Film 1526201
Marriage: 24 May 1863 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Thomas Redhead - 34, Corn Miller, Widower, Skerton Mary Sandham - 36, Spinster, Skerton Groom's Father: Thomas Redhead, Labourer Bride's Father: Richard Sandham, Wool comber Witness: Robert Redhead; John Beckett Married by Certificate of the Superintendent Registar by: John Palmour, Curate Register: Marriages 1861 - 1868, Page 86, Entry 172 Source: LDS Film 1526201
Name: Ellen Bennett Marriage Age: 43 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1836 Marriage Date: 3 Aug 1879 Marriage Place: Keighley, St Mary Eastwood, Yorkshire, England Parish as it Appears: Keighley, St Mary Eastwood Search Photos: View Map Father: Richard Sandham Spouse: Thomas Redhead -- toll collector
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9 Jul 2022 15:29 |
??? Baptism: 10 Feb 1833 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Sandham - Daughter of John Sandham & Ann Born: 16 Jan 1833 Abode: Lanc'r Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: John Hull Curate Register: Baptisms 1831 - 1837, Page 93, Entry 737 Source: LDS Film 1526146
Baptism: 20 Mar 1825 St Michael, Cockerham, Lancashire, England Mary Sandam - Dau of Richard Sandam & Ann Abode: Wyersdale Occupation: Weaver Baptised by: Rd. Tunstall, Per. Curate of Shireside Chapel. Performed at: Shireshead Chapel Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1826, Page 189, Entry 1505 Source: LDS Film 1278859
Name: Ellen Sandham Event Type: Baptism Birth Date: 8 Apr 1836 Baptism Date: 15 May 1836 Baptism Place: Cockerham, Lancashire, England Denomination: Independent Father: Richard Sandham Mother: Anne Sandham
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9 Jul 2022 15:45 |
Maddie thank you. I'm with you for the 1861-1891 census, but in 1851 ? -
Main Street, Skerton Thomas Redhead 42 Labourer b Skerton Ann 43 Children Betsy, Wm, Mary, John, Ellen, Robert, Eliza and Susannah aged 22 - 3
and at Heaton village with the Farrington family Thomas Redhead age 22 Servant. Miller
At 1856 marriage Thomas is said to be a Miller and son of Thomas.
There were 2 Thomas Redhead baptisms 1829 - s/o Thomas and Ann and 1832 - s/o William and Ann - the one you have in 1851 I think ??
Looking at that 1879 marriage, now I've found the original Thomas is a Widower and an Overlooker, if the right man he has taken a couple of years off his age. His Father Thomas is the Toll collector - again if right man, Father is a Labourer 1871 and 1881. But the census fit otherwise.
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9 Jul 2022 16:46 |
I think John and Richard Sandham may be brothers as the 1851 census has them both born at Ellel and there are baptisms1795 and 1796 at Christ Church, Over Wyersdale which would fit - sons of Benjamin and Ellen.
Complicated of course by the baptism 1796 same place of another John Sandham, but s/o Richard and Ellen. There is a John in Ellel in 1851 a Farmer
So many children with the same names ........
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9 Jul 2022 17:05 |
the 1851 posted cant be right its more likely the farringdon one but could this be them 1841 Name: Thomas Reachard [Thomas Redhead] Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England Civil parish: Lancaster Hundred: Lonsdale (South of the Sands) County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Lancaster Sub-registration district: Lancaster Neighbors: Piece: 554 Book: 18 Folio: 19 Page number: 30 Household Members Age Thomas Reachard 30 Ann Reachard 30 Thomas Reachard 10 Betsey Reachard 11 William Reachard 5 Mary Reachard 5 John Reachard ---- 2 Ellen Reachard 3 Mo
Baptism: 12 Aug 1838 St Luke, Skerton, Lancashire, England John Redhead - Son of Thomas Redhead & Anne Abode: Skerton Occupation: Warehouseman Baptised by: C. Bury Register: Baptisms 1834 - 1861, Page 15, Entry 120 Source: LDS Film 1517648
Baptism: 25 Feb 1827 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Betsy Redhead - Dau of Thomas Redhead & Ann Born: 29 Jan 1827 Abode: Skerton Occupation: Laborer Baptised by: R. Watson, Curate Register: Baptisms 1825 - 1831, Page 99, Entry 787 Source: LDS Film 1526146
Baptism: 17 Nov 1833 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England William Redhead - Son of Thomas Redhead & Anne Born: 2 Nov 1833 Abode: Skerton Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: John Hull Curate Register: Baptisms 1831 - 1837, Page 130, Entry 1036 Source: LDS Film 1526146
Baptism: 2 Mar 1836 St Luke, Skerton, Lancashire, England Mary Redhead - Daughter of Thomas Redhead & Ann Abode: Skerton Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: C. Bury Register: Baptisms 1834 - 1861, Page 9, Entry 65 Source: LDS Film 1517648
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9 Jul 2022 17:34 |
i saw benjamin earlier his children
Baptism: 22 Feb 1795 Christ Church, Over Wyresdale, Lancashire, England Jno. Sandham - Son of Benj. Sandham & Ellen Register: Baptisms 1723 - 1813, Page 52, Entry 15 Source: LDS Film 1278739
Baptism: 3 Oct 1796 Christ Church, Over Wyresdale, Lancashire, England Richd. Sandham - Son of Benj. Sandham & Ellin Register: Baptisms 1723 - 1813, Page 53, Entry 17 Source: LDS Film 1278739
Baptism: 22 Jul 1798 Christ Church, Over Wyresdale, Lancashire, England Robt. Sandham - Son of Benj. Sandham & Ellin Register: Baptisms 1723 - 1813, Page 54, Entry 28 Source: LDS Film 1278739
Baptism: 11 May 1800 Christ Church, Over Wyresdale, Lancashire, England Betty Sandham - [Child] of Benj. Sandham & Ellin Notes: [Betty from BTs] Register: Baptisms 1723 - 1813, Page 56, Entry 6 Source: LDS Film 1278739
Baptism: 28 Nov 1802 Christ Church, Over Wyresdale, Lancashire, England Mary Sandham - Daughter of Ben. Sandham & Ellin Born: 2 Nov Register: Baptisms 1723 -
Marriage: 22 Sep 1794 St Michael, Cockerham, Lancashire, England Benjamin Sandham - Husbandman, the parish of Cockerham Ellen Pye - (X), Spinr., the parish aforesaid Witness: Richd. Sandham; William Harrison Married by Banns by: Richd. Tunstall Curate Register: Marriages 1783 - 1806 Source: LDS Film 1278859
Burial: 13 Mar 1825 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Benjamin Sandham - Age: 54 Abode: Lancr. Buried by: J. Turner Curate Register: Burials 1822 - 1827, Page 100, Entry 793 Source: FHL 1526202
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9 Jul 2022 17:44 |
Well, there's peculiar - I have the Redhead baptisms but -
In 1841 I have them as Readhead at Main Street ,Skerton - Thomas a Warehouseman
Actually looking on Ancestry it's the same census but FMP gives the address !
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10 Jul 2022 13:19 |
benjamins 2nd marriage
Marriage: 16 Jun 1822 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Benjamin Sandham - Labourer, Widower, This Town Jane Parkinson - Spinster, This Town Witness: Isabella Parkinson; Edmd. Parkinson Married by Licence by: J Rowley, Curate Register: Marriages 1820 - 1827, Page 106, Entry 318 Source: LDS Film 1526201
Burial: 25 Feb 1820 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Ellen Sandham - Age: 55 Abode: Lancr. Buried by: J. Rowley, Curate Register: Burials 1813 - 1821, Page 240, Entry 1913 Source: LDS Film 1526202
Baptism: 24 Jan 1825 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Jane Parkinson Sandham - Dau of Benjamin Sandham & Jane Born: 22 Jan 1825 Abode: Lancr. Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: J. Turner, Curate Register: Baptisms 1825 - 1831, Page 4, Entry 27 Source: LDS Film 1526146
Burial: 19 Jan 1831 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Jane Parkinson Sandham - Age: 6 Abode: Lanc'r Buried by: John HULL, Curate Register: Burials 1827 - 1832, Page 123, Entry 977 Source: FHL 1526202
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11 Jul 2022 12:48 |
Maddie, apologies for not coming back to you yesterday, just one of those days.
Thanks for your info. Anyone else like to wade in?
Do you think that John and Richard Sandham are brothers and sons of Benjamin. All end up in Skerton/Lancaster. The other John baptised same place, same year, was perhaps a cousin?
Will be looking around myself, but can you or anyone else take the lines back any further please. If we think that John Sandham 1795 is son of Benjamin and his wife Ellen Pye, then back through them.
Also the Thomas Redhead b 1829, s/o Thomas and Ann ? Buttle md 27.7.1826 St Mary's Lancaster, can they be taken back further? Thomas said to be of Skerton and Ann OTP at marriage
Thomas and Ann 1851- (son Thomas 1829 off being a Miller elsewhere)
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Main Street, Sherton, Lancaster, Lancashire, England (SKERTON not Sherton or Sheraton)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Redhead Head Married Male 42 1809 Labourer Sheraton, Lancashire, England Ann Redhead Wife Married Female 43 1808 - Lancaster, Lancashire, England Betsy Redhead Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1829 Dress maker Sheraton, Lancashire, England William Redhead Son Unmarried Male 17 1834 App joiner Sheraton, Lancashire, England Mary Redhead Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1836 Cotton weaver Sheraton, Lancashire, England John Redhead Son - Male 12 1839 Scholar Sheraton, Lancashire, England Ellen Redhead Daughter - Female 10 1841 Scholar Sheraton, Lancashire, England Robert Redhead Son - Male 7 1844 Scholar Sheraton, Lancashire, England Eliza Redhead Daughter - Female 5 1846 Scholar Sheraton, Lancashire, England Susannah Redhead Daughter - Female 3 1848 Scholar Sheraton, Lancashire, England
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11 Jul 2022 14:41 |
1851 is correct
REDHEAD, SUSANNAH BUTTLE GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 21 Page 482
Baptism: 21 Feb 1808 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Thomas Redhead - Son of James Redhead & Dorothy Born: 23 Dec 1807 Abode: Skerton Register: Baptisms 1786 - 1810 Source: LDS Film 1526146
Name: Thomas Redhead Death Age: 76 Birth Date: abt 1808 Burial Date: 5 Aug 1884 Burial Place: Skerton, St Luke, Lancashire, England Search Photos: View Map Register Type: Parish Register Reference Number: PR 3267/1/23
Burial: 4 Jan 1853 St Luke, Skerton, Lancashire, England Dorothy Redhead - Age: 88 yrs. Abode: Skerton Buried by: Robert Simpson Register: Burials 1834 - 1859, Page 65, Entry 520 Source: LDS Film 1517648
1841 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Pinfold Lane, Lancaster, Lancashire, England View original record Household members (8 people) First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place James Readhead Male 80 1761 Lancashire, England Dorothy Readhead Female 75 1766 Lancashire, England Margaret Readhead Female 50 1791 Lancashire, England James Readhead Male 35 1806 Lancashire, England Jane Readhead Female 30 1811 Lancashire, England Dorothy Readhead Female 10 1831 Lancashire, England Eliza Readhead Female 5 1836 Lancashire, England John Readhead Male 5 1836 Lancashire, England
1851 in the 1851 England Census View 1851 England Census
Name: Dorothy Redhead Age: 86 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1765 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Kirkby Lonsdale, Westmorland, England Civil Parish: Skerton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: Lancaster Sub-registration District: Lancaster ED, institution, or vessel: 4b Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 208 Piece: 2272 Folio: 105 Page Number: 55 Household Members: Name Age Dorothy Redhead 86 Margaret Redhead 62 James Redhead 40 John Redhead 15 Eliza Redhead 13 Dorothy Redhead 10
Burial: 7 Nov 1845 St Luke, Skerton, Lancashire, England James Redhead - Age: 87 yrs. Abode: Skerton Buried by: S. Davies Register: Burials 1834 - 1859, Page 37, Entry 294 Source: LDS Film 1517648
Baptism: 12 Feb 1731/2 St Mary, Ulverston, Lancashire, England Eliz. Kirkby - Daughter of Hen. Kirkby Abode: Blawith Register: Baptisms 1664 - 1739 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 38, Entry 34 Source: LDS Film 1040491
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11 Jul 2022 15:16 |
a maybe
Baptism: 28 Feb 1761 St John the Baptist, Blawith, Lancashire, England James Redhead - son of Robert Redhead & Elizabeth Abode: Birkrow Register: Baptisms 1746 - 1812 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 14, Entry 3 Source: LDS Film 1040311
Name: Robert Redhead Marriage Date: 19 Feb 1752 Parish: Lancashire, England Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Kirkby Register Type: Parish Register
Marriage: 20 Feb 1753 St John the Baptist, Blawith, Lancashire, England Robt. Redhead - Wateryeat Eliz. Kirkby - Birkrow Register: Marriages 1729 - 1837 Source: Private Transcription
in the Archdeaconry of Richmond, England, Church of England Marriage Bonds, 1611-186
Name: Robert Redhead Gender: Male Marriage Bond Date: 19 Feb 1753 Marriage Bond Place: England Spouse: Elizabeth Kirkby Parish as it Appears: Ulverstone
in the Archdeaconry of Richmond, England, Church of England Marriage Bonds, 1611-186
Name: Elizabeth Kirkby Marriage Bond Age: 21 Birth Date: abt 1732 Marriage Bond Date: 19 Feb 1753 Marriage Bond Place: England Spouse: Robert Redhead
Baptism: 12 Feb 1731/2 St Mary, Ulverston, Lancashire, England Eliz. Kirkby - Daughter of Hen. Kirkby Abode: Blawith Register: Baptisms 1664 - 1739 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 38, Entry 34 Source: LDS Film 1040491
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11 Jul 2022 15:52 |
Baptism: 26 Aug 1755 St John the Baptist, Blawith, Lancashire, England Agnes Redhead - dau of Robt. Redhead & Eliz. Abode: Birkrow Register: Baptisms 1746 - 1812 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 10, Entry 1 Source: LDS Film 1040311
Baptism: 4 Mar 1758 St John the Baptist, Blawith, Lancashire, England Henry Redhead - son of Robert Redhead & Elisabeth Register: Baptisms 1746 - 1812 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 12, Entry 5 Source: LDS Film 1040311
Baptism: 28 Feb 1761 St John the Baptist, Blawith, Lancashire, England James Redhead - son of Robert Redhead & Elizabeth Abode: Birkrow Register: Baptisms 1746 - 1812 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 14, Entry 3 Source: LDS Film 1040311
Baptism: 14 Jul 1764 St John the Baptist, Blawith, Lancashire, England Martha Redhead - dau of Robert Redhead Abode: Birkrow Register: Baptisms 1746 - 1812 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 18, Entry 1 Source: LDS Film 1040311
Baptism: 1 Nov 1766 St John the Baptist, Blawith, Lancashire, England Betty Redhead - dau of Robert Redhead Abode: Birkerow Register: Baptisms 1746 - 1812 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 20, Entry 3 Source: LDS Film 1040311
Baptism: 8 Jan 1769 St John the Baptist, Blawith, Lancashire, England Robert Redhead - son of Robert Redhead Abode: Birkrow Register: Baptisms 1746 - 1812 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 22, Entry 2 Source: LDS Film 1040311
Baptism: 12 Oct 1771 St John the Baptist, Blawith, Lancashire, England Wm. Redhead - son of Robt. Redhead Abode: Birkrow Register: Baptisms 1746 - 1812 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 25, Entry 1 Source: LDS Film 1040311
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11 Jul 2022 17:26 |
I was leaning to James and Dorothy Redhead as the next line back from Thomas b 1807, good to have a second pair of eyes to come up with the same.
Will have a close look when have concentration time, Records are further away from Lancaster but you can see the move from country to bigger towns as time goes on can't you.
Glad you're around Maddie - everyone else must be busy ;-)
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