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WOW! This information is amazing. Thank you all, so much!!
Can't wait to tell my Grandad tomorrow.
I really appreciate your help <3
Lisa

Aha!

Doesn't help with Thomas Gardiner - but posting for interest, and in case there's any family link. But I don't think there is. I think he's just a foster child in 1921.


Bessie Wade
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Bessie Wade
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: William Wade
Birth Place: Croydon New Town
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Gipsy Hill
County/Island: London
Country: England
Condition as to marriage:
Registration District: Lambeth
Sub-registration District: Norwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors:
Piece: 438
Folio: 146
Page Number: 36
Household Schedule Number: 267
Household Members:
Name Age
William Wade 25 - Mendlesham
Bessie Wade 24
Williams H Wade 1 [ listed as William Alford in 1911 ]


WADE, WILLIAM HENRY mmn CLEMENTS
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 229


William Henry Wade
in the Surrey, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: William Henry Wade
Baptism Date: 31 Dec 1899
Baptism Place: Upper Norwood, All Saints with St Margaret, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears: Upper Norwood
Father: William Wade
Mother: Bessie Wade

William's in the army in 1921.


Bessie Clements
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973
Name: Bessie Clements
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 19
Birth Date: 1877
Marriage Date: 5 Jul 1896
Marriage Place: Newington, Surrey, England
Father: Thomas Clements
Spouse: William Wade
FHL Film Number: 291722
Reference ID: v 1/34 p 47 n 93

Possibly a foster child in 1921 ??


Thomas
Gardener
1913
Hampstead, London, England
Newington
Southwark
London, Surrey

With Frederick Alford 1882, born Wandsworth, and Bessie Alford 1879, born Mendlesham, Suffolk.



Bessie Alford
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Bessie Alford
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Mendlesham, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Southwark St George the Martyr
Country: England
Street Address: 5 Ontario Street, London Road, Southwark S E
Years Married: 12
Estimated Marriage Year: 1899
Occupation: Laundrys Washer
Registration District Number: 23
Sub-registration District: St George the Martyr West
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Piece: 1774
Household Members:
Name Age
Bessie Alford 32
William Alford 11 - son, Norwood


Can't see a marriage for Bessie and Frederick (if they were married - might have been brother and sister - can't tell without paying to see the image ) nor a definite birth for William


???
Bessie Wade
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Bessie Wade [Bessie Alford]
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 16 Aug 1879
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 25
Residence Place: Southwark, London, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 44
Schedule Number: 105
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: Auoe
Borough: Southwark
Registration district: 20-2
Household Members Age
Frederick D Alford 52 - single, foreman baker, 4 Oct 1887
Bessie Wade 60 - married

Bessie's name originally written as Wade, then changed to Alford - no date of amendment re a marriage in left-hand column, but there's the initial M.

I'm not sure about Frederick's initial D - might be P.

From the GRO site - the Hampstead birth with no mmn showing. So rather than the coincidence of a Gardiner marrying a Gardiner, it would suggest the his Mother was unmarried.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
GARDINER, THOMAS -
GRO Reference: 1913 D Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 1031

If the right birth, a copy of the Birth certificate would give Mother's details.

Perhaps she married after his birth and the 1921 census has them all under that name.

Did they separate?

Name: Ruby Gardiner
Death Age: 74
Birth Date: 14 Jun 1913
Registration Date: Mar 1988
Registration District: Havering
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 13
Page: 127

54 Hexal Road, Catford, Lewisham, Lewisham, London, England
1939 register badge

Household members (6 people)
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First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Thomas Gardiner 21 Oct 1913 Male Blind Trainee For London County Council Married 126 1
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.

Two births that cover an oct 1913 birth

Births Dec 1913
GARDINER Thomas Gardiner Hampstead 1a 1031
GARDINER Thomas M Conley Sunderland 10a 1489

Wouid guess the Hampstead one more the likely one especially as Thomas had no second name on marriage

A Thomas and Ruby Gardiner are living at 54 Hexall Street, Lewisham on the London Electoral register in 1939.
Thomas Gardiner is at that address on the 1939 register. (54 Hexal Street) with 3 others blacked out. His date of birth is said to be 21st October 1913.
There is a 'hint' that he died in 2002.
(Thomas Gardiner Dob 21.10.1913 died March quarter 2002 Westminster district)

Unless the actual Father was present at the birth registration to admit paternity, then the Woman's husband would be assumed to be the Father and so the birth reg. details as recorded. The actual birth cert. will tell you no more unfortunately

A copy of the marriage certificate will be your best bet for any further details about Thomas Gardiner. Available through the GRO site. You need to register, but free to search. The certificate will cost £11, but cheaper than via commercial sites.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp

and then click on Place an Order

Thanks so much for your help greyghost.

We are told that Patrick and Ruby have different fathers, but can't be sure.

2 children born to the marriage -

Patrick 1936 and Ruby 1938

But not seeing a 1939 register entry for the family

Thomas could be of an age to be in the Forces already

A copy of the marriage certificate should give Thomas's age and if he knew him, the name and occupation of his Father.

England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Southwark, London, England

First name(s) Ruby
Last name Mycroft
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1934
MarriageFinder™ Ruby Mycroft married one of these people
Thomas Gardiner
County London
Volume 1D
Volume as transcribed 1D
Page number 236

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Ruby's birth -
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Mycroft Ruby Chart Southwark 1d 277

My Great-Nan, Ruby Mycroft (1913 Southwark, London - 1987) married Thomas Gardiner in 1934 Southwark.

I'm trying desperately to find information on Thomas Gardiner (birth / death / other). The family knows nothing about him.

Thank you in advance,
Lisa