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Anthony
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30 Jun 2022 17:01 |
I am trying to trace the family line of William O'Neill. Born c1850. Place: Waterford, Ireland. He moved to England, date unknown. He was employed as a fitter labourer for the Orient Line at Tilbury Docks.
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greyghost
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30 Jun 2022 17:11 |
Do you have him in a census - can you post that please.
He has a common name and English census often don't have any more than born Ireland on them, so it may be difficult for helpers to find him and start helping you.
Many Irish records aren't available as they were destroyed in the 1921 uprisings.
As much information as you can give us that you know about him will help us to help you.
Did he marry, a record would show his Father's name if he knew it.
There will be various spellings of his surname I expect -
eg - 20 spelt that way +/- 5 years in 1901 census with and without a second initial but many more with spelling variations
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30 Jun 2022 17:13 |
Having said all that this one is living in Essex - Thurrock 3 miles from Tilbury, but not knowing when you first sight him in England ......
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 12, Melbourne Road, Little Thurrock, Orsett, Essex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William O'Neill Head Married Male 51 1850 Marine engineer's labourer Ireland Annie O'Neill Wife Married Female 39 1862 - Plumstead, Kent, England Kathleen B O'Neill Daughter - Female 7 1894 - Tilbury, Essex, England William T O'Neill Son - Male 4 1897 - Little Thurrock, Essex, England Mary J O'Neill Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Little Thurrock, Essex, England Male
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30 Jun 2022 17:18 |
From the free to use site (you need to register) https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp#Results
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: O'NEILL, KATHLEEN BRIDGET DOLAN GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in ORSETT Volume 04A Page 478
O'NEILL, MARY JOSEPHINE DOLAN GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in ORSETT Volume 04A Page 630
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ArgyllGran
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30 Jun 2022 17:19 |
William Oneil in the 1891 England Census Name: William Oneil Gender: Male Age: 41 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1850 Spouse: Annie Oneil Birth Place: Waterford, Ireland Civil parish: Grays Thurrock Ecclesiastical parish: Grays Thurrock Residence Place: Grays, Grays Thurrock, Essex, England Registration district: Orsett Sub registration district: Grays ED, Institution or Vessel: 17 Neighbors: Piece: 1377 Folio: 70 Household Members Age Relationship William Oneil 41 Head Annie Oneil 29 Wife - Plumstead
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greyghost
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30 Jun 2022 17:21 |
Possibly the man's marriage - in right area and would fit time wise with children's ages. However, suggests Annie had been married previously with Mother's maiden name on birth registrations being Dolan
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)
Bryan Annie Orsett 4a 558 O'Neill William Orsett 4a 558
copy of the marriage certificate would give his status when he married Annie - ie Widower, single
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greyghost
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30 Jun 2022 17:24 |
Annie's previous marriage - there are Baxter/Laws births registered post that marriage so Bryan and Deal would be the other couple. Not seeing Bryan/Dolan births
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%) Baxter Alfred Henry West Ham 4a 239 BRYAN Thomas W Ham 4a 239 <<<<<<< DOLAN Annie W. Ham 4a 239 <<<<<< LAWS Charlotte Lucelia W Ham 4a 239
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ArgyllGran
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30 Jun 2022 17:29 |
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DOLAN, ANNIE mmn GALLAHER GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in LEWISHAM UNION Volume 01D Page 698
Lewisham RD included Plumstead.
To try to trace William's ancestors, you need the marriage cert, to see who William's father was -- though I don't see his birth c1850 in Waterford.
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greyghost
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30 Jun 2022 17:30 |
Not seeing William in RC baptisms c 1850 on find My Past in Waterford nor on this free site below for Church baptisms (generally Church of Ireland)
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie
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ErikaH
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30 Jun 2022 17:32 |
The poster's line is through Francis J Smedley born 1925, MMN O'Neill
Marriages Mar 1923 (>99%) O'Neill Mary J Smedley Rochford 4a 986 Smedley John W O'Neill Rochford 4a 986
1939 Register 18 Princes Avenue, Corringham, Thurrock U.D., Essex, England
John William Smedley 04 Jan 1900 Male Steel Binder Reinforce Concrete Married 54 1 Mary J Smedley 30 Dec 1900 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 54 2 John W Smedley 24 Apr 1923 Male General Invoice Clerk Single 54 3 The record for this person is officially closed.
James W Smedley 11 Sep 1927 Male At School Single 54 5 Ann O'Neil 25 Nov 1861 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 54 6
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30 Jun 2022 17:35 |
1921 census - First name(s) Last name Birth year Birth place Parish Registration district County William O'Neill 1850 Waterford, Ireland Chadwell St Mary Orsett Essex
William, Annie and Francis E are on this record
1921 census is only on FMP - you don't have to be a member but you will need to pay to view full transcript of the original (even FMP members have to) - going cheap at the moment until tomorrow 50% off (posted on Genealogy Chat) Look at the original rather than the transcript if you can so you read it yourself rather than the transcription where mistakes may have happened.
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ArgyllGran
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30 Jun 2022 18:01 |
I have absolutely no idea if this could be the same William or not . Probably a complete red herring - just posting in case he had been married before - for which you need the 1890 marriage cert:
Area - KERRY (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - KENMARE
Marriage of WILLIAM O'NEIL of WATERFORD and HONORA O'NEIL of KENMARE on 28 November 1878 Husband Wife Name WILLIAM O'NEIL HONORA O'NEIL Address WATERFORD KENMARE Occupation NR NR Father MICHAEL O'NEIL JAMES O'NEIL Mother MARY SWEENEY MARGARET HALLISSEY Further details in the record Priest REV. M. NELIGAN Husband's Father's Occupation NR Witness 1 JAMES O'NEIL Witness 2 HENERY BENNETT
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