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Hi Shirley,

I just assumed they'd realise that a person born nearly 123 yrs ago was unlikely to be alive...

Seems I hoped in vain :-(

Kucinta

Unless someone supplies a death cert then the records won’t be opened from after the last update

Our brother moved to Spain and died there in 2001

His death isn’t online so his 1939 record will remain closed

That's true, AG, I realised because of her 1934 birth, and not having used the NHS, that would probably be true of Jean, but hoped as Millicent would be around 120 yrs old now, if she had lived, the powers that be might have decided she would actually be deceased and have an open record for her.

And Jean might still be alive, in her late 80s...

If Millicent and Jean both died in South Africa, they may still be closed records in 1939.


Malcolm is still a closed record on Ancestry, which often lags behind re 1939 Register, though open on FMP, as posted above.

Re the address on the passenger list in 1948,

43 Walton Way, Aylesbury,

in 1939, living at that address, amongst others , are John Matthews and wife Lorna Matthews born 7th April 1902.

Lorna Washington married Jack Matthews Sep 1929 Aylesbury 3a 3352

Lorna is living with Richard, Margaret, Millicent et al at Stone, Aylesbury in 1911, so she is Millicent's sister. Their father Richard is an asylum attendant in 1911.

So I'm sure the passenger list in 1948 is correct.

Not that it helps with what happened to Millicent and her daughter once they arrived in South Africa.

Both in Aylesbury

1921 Census Of England & Wales transcript - WASHINGTON
Parish of Aylesbury

Millicent, Richard James, Margaret Ann and 2 others are on this record

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1921 Census Of England & Wales transcript - PALMER
Aylesbury, parish of Aylesbury, Halton, Aston Clinton

William E, Sarah A, Beatrice M and 2 others are on this record

You can use find My past as a none member and pay to open the full transcription or original (even FMP members pay)

Snap, greyghost!

Is this William and the 2 boys in 1939

1939 Register
29 Whitehill Lane, Gravesend, Gravesend M.B., Kent, England

First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
William E Palmer 31 May 1898 Male Printer's Assistant Married 91 1
Malcolm E Palmer 14 Mar 1922 Male Laboratory Workshop Mechanic Single 91 2
Stanley W Palmer 22 Dec 1923 Male Seeking Work, Not Previously Employed Single 91 3
Male
Transcript of Malcolm E's record

Can't yet find Millicent and Jean in 1939.

Husband William E Palmer and Malcolm E Palmer born 1922, and Stanley W Palmer , born Dec 1923, living 29 Whitehill Lane, Gravesend.

William says he is married but no sign of Millicent or Jean.

A Mrs M R Palmer, 48, secretary and a Jean M Palmer aged 13, of 43, Walton Way, Aylesbury, sailed for South Africa on the Carnarvon Castle 23rd Nov 1948.

Ages of both in right ballpark.

image of passenger list sent, as I can't c & p on tablet.

???

Roda Millicent Washington
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Roda Millicent Washington
Registration Date: 1900
Quarter of the Year: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Place: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England
Volume: 3a
Page: 859


M R Washington
in the 1901 England Census
Name: M R Washington
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Richard Washington
Mother: M A Washington
Birth Place: Hartwell, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Stone
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Aylesbury
Sub-registration District: Haddenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Neighbors:
Piece: 1354
Folio: 108
Page Number: 20
Household Schedule Number: 139
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Washington 39
M A Washington 40
A M A Washington 14
F M Washington 12
A E Washington 8
G V Washington 4
R C Washington 2
M R Washington 1


In 1911 she's still with her parents, and just called Millicent.

Milicent is in a number of trees on Ancestry with about 3 totally different places of birth, slightly different years of birth but with the same father.

Have you checked and proved you are right about your version.?

For our reference -
Malcolm Edward born 1922,
Stanley William 1924,
Jean 1934


I don't see the birth of a Millicent Washington in Bucks in 1899 - or at any time.

No one is likely to have any knowledge of them. Have you tried to see if Millicent is in anyones tree.

You’ve been looking for years. So it would be helpful to know where you have looked.

Did she leave the sons as children or as young men? Have you looked for them on the emigration/immigration records.

Ancestry SA did have telephone directories at one time.

She was born in 1899 in Aylesbury Bucks and married William Edward Palmer on 5/9/1921 at Aylesbury registery office. She had two sons Malcolm and Stan and a daughter Jean. I believe that she and Jean went to South Africa but am not sure of the date. This is my Grandmother whom I never knew and I have been trying for years to find information about her going to South Africa.
Does anybody have information on the family please?
Thanks