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Sarah Rogers

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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Apr 2022 10:34

Name: Bertha Taylor
Registration Date: Apr 1933
[May 1933]
[Jun 1933]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Huddersfield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Spouse: David H Ellis
Volume Number: 9a
Page Number: 781



Bertha Ellis
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Bertha Ellis
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 15 Sep 1909
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 22
Residence Place: Holmfirth, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Occupation: Household Duties
Line Number: 26
Schedule Number: 198
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: Kngc
Borough: Holmfirth
Registration district: 495/3
Inferred Spouse:
David H Ellis
Inferred Children:
Kathleen Ellis
Bryan L Ellis
Household Members Age
David H Ellis
37
Bertha Ellis 30
Kathleen Ellis
4
Bryan L Ellis
2
This record is officially closed.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Apr 2022 10:31

TAYLOR, BERTHA ROGERS
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in DONCASTER Volume 09C Page 846

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Apr 2022 10:25

Name: Mary Ann Spackman
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1863
Birth Place: Swinton
Age: 40
Event Date: 5 Sep 1903
Prison or Quarter Session: HMP Wakefield
Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment or Servitude
Offence: Drunk etc

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Apr 2022 16:30

Can't see any obvious sign of either Edith or George after 1921.

Perhaps if we had her DOB from the birth cert, we could find her in 1939.

Bertha married in Huddersfield RD, which might have been a clue, but doesn't seem to help, so far.

Bertha's marriage cert would tell you if her father was still alive.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Apr 2022 16:00

Again for our reference:

Marriages Jun 1908 (>99%)
RODGERS Edith Doncaster 9c 1562
Taylor George Henry Doncaster 9c 1562


Edith Taylor
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Edith Taylor
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Rotherham, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Mexborough
Country: England
Street Address: 112 Schofield St Mexbro
Registration District Number: 512
Sub-registration District: Barnbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Piece: 28174
Household Members:
Name Age
George Taylor 31
Edith Taylor 22
Bertha Taylor 2


In 1921, Bertha is in Mexborough with George H, Edith, and 3 others.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Apr 2022 15:41

What do you want to know about her?
For her mother's name, you need the birth cert, as ErikaH says.
If her father's not named on the birth cert, you'll never know who he was.



Definitely an illegitimate birth (if this is the right person):

ROGERS, EDITH -
GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 621


The censuses you mention, for our reference:

Edith Rogers
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Edith Rogers
Gender: Female
Age: 1
Relationship: Adopted Daughter
Birth Year: 1890
Birth Place: Rotherham, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Mexborough
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Residence Place: Mexborough, Yorkshire, England
Registration district: Doncaster
Sub registration district: Barmbrough
ED, Institution or Vessel: 12
Neighbors:
Piece: 3860
Folio: 118
Household Members Age Relationship
Richard Thorpe 24 Head
Mary Ann Spackman 31 Housekeeper
Edith Rogers 1 Adopted Daughter


Edith Rogers
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Edith Rogers
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Oscar Whittaker [ not necessarily her father ]
Birth Place: Rotherham, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Denaby
Ecclesiastical parish: Denaby
Town: Denaby
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Doncaster
Sub-registration District: Barmbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Piece: 4407
Folio: 24
Page Number: 40
Household Schedule Number: 203
Household Members:
Name Age
Oscar Whittaker 29 - head, single
Mary Ann Spackman 40 - boarder, married
Edith Rogers 11 - daughter


Ancestry's transcription assumes she's Oscar's daughter, just because the record says "daughter", which ought to mean daughter of head of household.


???
Mary Ann Spackman
in the West Yorkshire, England, Prison Records, 1801-1914
Name: Mary Ann Spackman
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1859
Birth Place: Swinton
Age: 29
Event Date: 1 Dec 1888
Prison or Quarter Session: HMP Wakefield
Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment or Servitude [ 1 calendar month hard labour ]
Crime: Feloniously receiving a clothes basket [ stolen by Ann Maria Wood, who was sentenced to 6 weeks hard labour. ]


Mary A Spackman
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Mary A Spackman
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration Place: Doncaster, Yorkshire West Riding, United Kingdom
Death Date: Mar 1911
Inferred Death Place: Yorkshire West Riding, United Kingdom
Volume: 9c
Page: 581

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Apr 2022 15:09

Look for Edith’s birth on the GRO site, where you can easily identify illegitimate births. Buy a copy of the cert for mother’s name

Presumably, she didn’t name a father when she married?

mycroft

mycroft Report 24 Apr 2022 15:05

Hi I am
Looking for information on Edith Rogers.
Fact: Married: George Henry Taylor 15/6/1908
Then living at 17 Swinton Road, Mexborough, West Yorkshire.
At that address was William Drakely and family.
He was also a witness
1911 she was living with husband and daughter Bertha.

Not certain
Born: about 1889 Rotherham, her mother might have been Sarah Rogers at the Union workhouse Rotherham long term.
Mother might have been at one time a domestic servant.
In 1891 census it appears she is living with Mrs Mary Ann Spackman as her adopted daughter also in 1901 Census.
regards
Mycroft