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Lynn10
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10 Apr 2022 09:54 |
Hi, I am looking for a little help tracing my great grandfather's ancestry as I have just re joined GR after about 14yrs and I really am a novice as well as not being very technology savvy :-( I still have my father who is 82 and has always wanted to know more about his grandfather on his mother's side. Boaty Bill (apparently he had been a champion rower in his day) as he was known, William Elliott born 1850/51. I'm afraid there was some bad feeling towards him on my great grandmother's part and she wouldn't discuss him and my grandmother was only 4 when he died so she had no real memories of him to speak of. The only factual evidence we have of him is their wedding certificate and birth certificate of my grandmother, Margaret Elliott, 10th April, 1913. We know that they lived in The Huts, Little Houghton, district of Hemsworth, West Yorkshire, England. This is confirmed on both certificates.
Marriage certificate, 20th March 1913. Registration district, Wakefield. William Elliott age 62, Widower, coal miner (contracter) The Huts, Little Houghton, Father: John Elliott (deceased) farmer. Married: Margaret Ellen Adams age 32, Spinster, The Huts, Little Houghton. Father William Adams. Employed as pottery worker.
We also know my great grandmother was from Bolton Upon Dearne. We have her birth certificate Born 24th January 1881, Father William Adams. Occupation, Potter. Mother, Mary Bennett Adams (formerly Duke) Born in the sub district of Barnbrough, &Registration district Doncaster, County York. Registered on 3rs February 1881.
They had 2 children together Margaret Elliott B.1913 and Constance Mary Elliott B.1914 Little Houghton.
Anyway back to William. I do believe I have found him on the 1911 census in Little Houghton; William Elliott age 60, widower, coal miner, Born Northumberland. Living with Mary Anne Scholey age 45, single, housekeeper.
Also the 1901 census living at Middlecliffe lane, Little Houghton. William Elliott age 51, married, coal miner, Born Northumberland (Ford) Margaret Elliott age 51, wife, Born Northumberland (Chatton?) Eva Nell age 11, granddaughter. Born Little Houghton.
1891 census living at Village, Little Houghton. William Elliott age 40, married, Coal miner. Born Northumberland Margaret Elliott age 41, 1850. Married. Born Northumberland (Warden) John Elliott age 16, 1875. Son. Colliery Labour. Born Pegswood, Northumberland Eva Nell Elliott age 1, 1890. Granddaughter. Born Houghton Elizabeth Ann age 21, 1870. Daughter. Dressmaker Born Newham, Northumberland
I believe that I have them on the 1881 census at 60 Pilgrim St, Fox & Lamb Inn. To include Isabella, Daughter Born 1873 in Ashington Northumberland.
This is where I get stuck. I think I have them on the 1871 census at Grange cottage, Longhirst, Morpeth, Northumberland but with only the one child, Elizabeth Ann age Born 1870. But with Williams sister Mary Ann Elliott born 1853 Northumberland and Brother Thomas Elliott born 1839 Berwick Scotland.
I have found bits on the 1861census with William lodging with his brother Thomas and 1851 census William living with grandparents possibly? but not sure at all??
I can't seem to make any real connections for William or his siblings to his parents. I know his father was John a farmer.
I know this really is a mammoth task but just wondered if any could help me at all please ??
Kindest possible regards, Lynn
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ErikaH
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10 Apr 2022 10:09 |
1881 to which you refer has William as a retired publican.
All other info you give has him as a coal miner, which is a radical change of occupation, although not impossible, of course
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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10 Apr 2022 10:15 |
So if your grandmother was about 4 when he died have you looked around the age for a possible death
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ErikaH
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10 Apr 2022 10:16 |
1871 at Grange Cottage, William is again a coal miner
Have you looked for/found his first marriage?
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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10 Apr 2022 10:30 |
Little Houghton, Yorkshire (West Riding), England 1921 census badge
Household members (3 people) Copy to clipboard First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer Marguerite E Elliott Head Female 1881 40 Yorkshire, England Home Duties - Marguerite Elliott Daughter Female 1913 8 Little Houghton, Yorkshire, England - - Constance M Elliott Daughter Female 1914 7 Little Houghton, Yorkshire, England - -
Says father dead for each girl
Deaths Jun 1917 Elliott William 67 Barnsley 9c 253
Right reg district for little Houghton
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ErikaH
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10 Apr 2022 11:00 |
Registration district for Pegswood and Ashington is MORPETH
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ErikaH
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10 Apr 2022 11:03 |
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Name: William Elliott Registration Year: 1870 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration District: Belford Inferred County: Northumberland Volume: 10b Page: 461 Name William Elliott Peter Knox Jane Miller Margaret Scott
ELLIOTT, JOHN (MMN) SCOTT GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in MORPETH Volume 10B Page 343
ELLIOTT, ISABELLA SCOTT GRO Reference: 1871 D Quarter in MORPETH Volume 10B Page 298
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ErikaH
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10 Apr 2022 11:05 |
1861
Name: John Elliot Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: 1818 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Isabella Elliot Gender: Male Where Born: Norham, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Ford County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration District: Glendale Sub-registration District: Ford ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 71 Piece: 3890 Folio: 97 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age John Elliot 43.........................................................AG LAB Isabella Elliot 43 Walter Elliot 18 George Elliot 16 Elizabeth Elliot 14 William Elliot 11 Mary A Elliot 7 John Elliot 5 Robert J Elliot 2 Elizabeth Mills 65.........Mother-in-Law
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ErikaH
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10 Apr 2022 11:06 |
Name: John Elliott Gender: Male Marriage Date: 24 Apr 1842 Marriage Place: Ancroft,Northumberland,England Spouse: Isabella Mills FHL Film Number: 252562
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ErikaH
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10 Apr 2022 11:09 |
1851
Name: John Eliot Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizbeth Eliot Gender: Male Where Born: Reedhouse, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Yeavering County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration District: Glendale Sub-registration District: Ford ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 35 Piece: 2422 Folio: 112 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age John Eliot 33 Elizbeth Eliot 33 Thomas Eliot 11 Walter Eliot 8 George Eliot 6 Elizbeth Eliot 3 William Eliot 1 Elizbeth Milles 55
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ErikaH
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10 Apr 2022 11:12 |
Name: Thomas Thompson Or Mills Gender: Male Birth Date: 16 Dec 1839 Baptism Date: 5 Jan 1840 Baptism Place: Ancroft,Northumberland,England Father: Peter Thompson Mother: Isabella Mills
1841
Name: Thomas Mills Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Gender: Male Where Born: Durham, England Civil Parish: Ancroft Hundred: Islandshire County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address: Occupation: View image Registration District: Berwick upon Tweed*************** Sub-registration District: Islandshire Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 318 Book: 1 Folio: 34 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age Elisabeth Mills 44 Isabella Mills 23 Thomas Mills 1
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ErikaH
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10 Apr 2022 11:52 |
ELLIOT, WILLIAM MILLS GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in GLENDALE UNION Volume 25 Page 293
ELLIOT, WALTER MILLS GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in THE BERWICK UPON TWEED UNION Volume 25 Page 21
ELLIOT, GEORGE MILLS GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in GLENDALE UNION Volume 25 Page 275
ELLIOTT, ELIZABETH MILLS GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in GLENDALE UNION Volume 25 Page 282
ELLIOTT, ROBERT JAMES MILLS GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in GLENDALE Volume 10B Page 286
From the following FREE site
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
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ErikaH
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10 Apr 2022 12:03 |
Found by GOOGLING
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Elliott_(rower)
William Elliott was born at Hay Farm, Northumberland, 28 November 1849 and was the Professional Sculling Champion of England. He stood five feet seven and one half inches in height and untrained he weighed 176 pounds; trained, 167 pounds.
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https://history.nerowing.com/wiki/William_Elliott
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ArgyllGran
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10 Apr 2022 12:29 |
Welcome to the boards, Lynn.
Posting the 1861 census which you mention, for our reference:
William Elliott in the 1861 England Census Name: William Elliott Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: 1849 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where Born: Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Westgate Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Newcastle upon Tyne County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration District: Newcastle Upon Tyne Sub-registration District: Westgate ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 123 Piece: 3815 Folio: 69 Page Number: 20 Household Members: Name Age Isabella Bebb 56 Catharine Bebb 19 Thomas Elliott 19 - Berwick William Elliott 12
I wonder if William is on the 1861 twice - once with parents as in 1861 posted by ErikaH, and again as a boarder in Newcastle.
However, the names are very common.
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Maddie
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10 Apr 2022 13:28 |
parish transcript
John Spouse's marital status Spinster Last name Elliott First witness Walter Elliott Residence Ancroft Durham Second witness Isabel Elliott Marital status Bachelor Licence or banns Banns Marriage year 1842 Record type Bishop's Transcripts Marriage date 24 Apr 1842 Archive Durham University Library Denomination Anglican Register type Baptisms, marriages & burials Place Ancroft Register year range 1764-1867 County Northumberland Record set Northumberland Marriages Country England Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Spouse's first name(s) Isabella Subcategory Parish Marriages Spouse's last name Mills Collections from England, Great Britain Spouse's residence Ancroft Durham
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Ord Mains, Tweedmouth, Berwick upon Tweed, Durham & Northumberland, England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Thomas Elliot Male 50 1791 Durham, England Mary Elliot Female 45 1796 Durham, England John Elliot Male 25 1816 Durham, England Walter Elliot Male 20 1821 Durham, England ---- Thomas Elliot Male 15 1826 Durham, England William Elliot Male 12 1829 Durham, England Isabella Elliot Female 15 1826 Durham, England ------------
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Ancroft, Berwick upon Tweed, Durham & Northumberland, England
Household members (3 people) First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Elisabeth Mills Female 44 1797 - Isabella Mills Female 23 1818 Durham, England Thomas Mills Male 1 1840 Durham, England
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ErikaH
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10 Apr 2022 15:33 |
FMP version of 1861 posted above - with birthplaces etc
2, Marlborough Place, Westgate, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England Isabella Bebb - Widow Female 56 1805 - Aberdeen, Scotland Catharine Bebb Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1842 - Aberdeen, Scotland Thomas Elliott Boarder Unmarried Male 19 1842 - Berwick, Scotland William Elliott Boarder Unmarried Male 12 1849 - Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland, England
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11 Apr 2022 00:54 |
Name William Elliott Sex Male Age 1 Event Date 1851 Event Place , Northumberland, England Registration District Belford Residence Note Preston Birth Year (Estimated) 1850 Birthplace Rothbury, Northumberland Relationship to Head of Household Son Event Type Census Page Number 45 Piece/Folio 2420 / 26 Registration Number HO107 William Elliott's Parents and Siblings John Elliott Father M 26 Ellingham, Northumberland Name John Elliott Sex Male Age 26 Event Date 1851 Event Place , Northumberland, England Registration District Belford Residence Note Preston Birth Year (Estimated) 1825 Birthplace Ellingham, Northumberland Marital Status Married Occupation Farm Steward xxxxxxxxx Relationship to Head of Household Head Event Type Census Page Number 45 Piece/Folio 2420 / 26 Registration Number HO107 Margaret Jane Elliott Mother F 29 Edlingham, Northumberland Name Margaret Jane Elliott Sex Female Age 29 Event Date 1851 Event Place , Northumberland, England Registration District Belford Residence Note Preston Birth Year (Estimated) 1822 Birthplace Edlingham, Northumberland Marital Status Married Relationship to Head of Household Wife Event Type Census Page Number 45 Piece/Folio 2420 / 26 Registration Number HO107 Other People on This Record Mary Jane Young F 12 Rothbury, Northumberland Family Tree Attach to Family Tree Similar Records
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Lynn10
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11 Apr 2022 17:34 |
Hi and thankyou for such a warm welcome and such an amazing response :-D I'm blown away with all the help and information you have all sent, seriously a great big thankyou ?? I only realised today that I had replies as the notification never went to my email, although I had ticked the box. I'm NOT a whizz with technology for sure! Hopefully the more time I spend on here the better I will get and find other sites I can use which you have highlighted for me. Any tips will certainly be more than appreciated!!!
I'm going to spend the evening going through it all and can’t wait to share this with Dad, I know he will be thrilled!!
Again, Thankyou all :-D :-D
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ArgyllGran
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11 Apr 2022 17:41 |
Unfortunately, GR doesn't notify you when there are replies on your thread - even if you tick the box. You have to keep looking at the thread.
That's one of a few things on the site which used to work but don't now.
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