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Could anyone help me with my please?

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Lynn10

Lynn10 Report 10 Apr 2022 09:54

Hi, I am looking for a little help tracing my great grandfather's ancestry as I have just re joined GR after about 14yrs and I really am a novice as well as not being very technology savvy :-(
I still have my father who is 82 and has always wanted to know more about his grandfather on his mother's side. Boaty Bill (apparently he had been a champion rower in his day) as he was known, William Elliott born 1850/51. I'm afraid there was some bad feeling towards him on my great grandmother's part and she wouldn't discuss him and my grandmother was only 4 when he died so she had no real memories of him to speak of. The only factual evidence we have of him is their wedding certificate and birth certificate of my grandmother, Margaret Elliott, 10th April, 1913.
We know that they lived in The Huts, Little Houghton, district of Hemsworth, West Yorkshire, England. This is confirmed on both certificates.

Marriage certificate, 20th March 1913. Registration district, Wakefield.
William Elliott age 62, Widower, coal miner (contracter) The Huts, Little Houghton, Father: John Elliott (deceased) farmer.
Married:
Margaret Ellen Adams age 32, Spinster, The Huts, Little Houghton. Father William Adams. Employed as pottery worker.

We also know my great grandmother was from Bolton Upon Dearne. We have her birth certificate Born 24th January 1881, Father William Adams. Occupation, Potter. Mother, Mary Bennett Adams (formerly Duke) Born in the sub district of Barnbrough, &Registration district Doncaster, County York. Registered on 3rs February 1881.

They had 2 children together Margaret Elliott B.1913 and Constance Mary Elliott B.1914 Little Houghton.

Anyway back to William. I do believe I have found him on the 1911 census in Little Houghton; William Elliott age 60, widower, coal miner, Born Northumberland. Living with Mary Anne Scholey age 45, single, housekeeper.

Also the 1901 census living at Middlecliffe lane, Little Houghton.
William Elliott age 51, married, coal miner, Born Northumberland (Ford)
Margaret Elliott age 51, wife, Born Northumberland (Chatton?)
Eva Nell age 11, granddaughter. Born Little Houghton.

1891 census living at Village, Little Houghton.
William Elliott age 40, married, Coal miner. Born Northumberland
Margaret Elliott age 41, 1850. Married. Born Northumberland (Warden)
John Elliott age 16, 1875. Son. Colliery Labour. Born Pegswood, Northumberland
Eva Nell Elliott age 1, 1890. Granddaughter. Born Houghton
Elizabeth Ann age 21, 1870. Daughter. Dressmaker Born Newham, Northumberland

I believe that I have them on the 1881 census at 60 Pilgrim St, Fox & Lamb Inn. To include Isabella, Daughter Born 1873 in Ashington Northumberland.

This is where I get stuck. I think I have them on the 1871 census at Grange cottage, Longhirst, Morpeth, Northumberland but with only the one child, Elizabeth Ann age Born 1870. But with Williams sister Mary Ann Elliott born 1853 Northumberland and Brother Thomas Elliott born 1839 Berwick Scotland.

I have found bits on the 1861census with William lodging with his brother Thomas and 1851 census William living with grandparents possibly? but not sure at all??

I can't seem to make any real connections for William or his siblings to his parents. I know his father was John a farmer.

I know this really is a mammoth task but just wondered if any could help me at all please ??

Kindest possible regards,
Lynn

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 Apr 2022 10:09

1881 to which you refer has William as a retired publican.

All other info you give has him as a coal miner, which is a radical change of occupation, although not impossible, of course

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Apr 2022 10:15

So if your grandmother was about 4 when he died have you looked around the age for a possible death

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 Apr 2022 10:16

1871 at Grange Cottage, William is again a coal miner

Have you looked for/found his first marriage?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Apr 2022 10:30



Little Houghton, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
1921 census badge

Household members (3 people)
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First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Marguerite E Elliott Head Female 1881 40 Yorkshire, England Home Duties -
Marguerite Elliott Daughter Female 1913 8 Little Houghton, Yorkshire, England - -
Constance M Elliott Daughter Female 1914 7 Little Houghton, Yorkshire, England - -


Says father dead for each girl


Deaths Jun 1917
Elliott William 67 Barnsley 9c 253

Right reg district for little Houghton

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 Apr 2022 11:00

Registration district for Pegswood and Ashington is MORPETH

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 Apr 2022 11:03

???????????

Name: William Elliott
Registration Year: 1870
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Belford
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 461
Name
William Elliott
Peter Knox
Jane Miller
Margaret Scott


ELLIOTT, JOHN (MMN) SCOTT
GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in MORPETH Volume 10B Page 343

ELLIOTT, ISABELLA SCOTT
GRO Reference: 1871 D Quarter in MORPETH Volume 10B Page 298

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 Apr 2022 11:05

1861

Name: John Elliot
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Isabella Elliot
Gender: Male
Where Born: Norham, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Ford
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration District: Glendale
Sub-registration District: Ford
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 71
Piece: 3890
Folio: 97
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
John Elliot 43.........................................................AG LAB
Isabella Elliot 43
Walter Elliot 18
George Elliot 16
Elizabeth Elliot 14
William Elliot 11
Mary A Elliot 7
John Elliot 5
Robert J Elliot 2
Elizabeth Mills 65.........Mother-in-Law

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 Apr 2022 11:06

Name: John Elliott
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 24 Apr 1842
Marriage Place: Ancroft,Northumberland,England
Spouse: Isabella Mills
FHL Film Number: 252562

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 Apr 2022 11:09

1851

Name: John Eliot
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizbeth Eliot
Gender: Male
Where Born: Reedhouse, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Yeavering
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration District: Glendale
Sub-registration District: Ford
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 35
Piece: 2422
Folio: 112
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
John Eliot 33
Elizbeth Eliot 33
Thomas Eliot 11
Walter Eliot 8
George Eliot 6
Elizbeth Eliot 3
William Eliot 1
Elizbeth Milles 55

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 Apr 2022 11:12

Name: Thomas Thompson Or Mills
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 16 Dec 1839
Baptism Date: 5 Jan 1840
Baptism Place: Ancroft,Northumberland,England
Father: Peter Thompson
Mother: Isabella Mills

1841

Name: Thomas Mills
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Gender: Male
Where Born: Durham, England
Civil Parish: Ancroft
Hundred: Islandshire
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
View image
Registration District: Berwick upon Tweed***************
Sub-registration District: Islandshire
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 318
Book: 1
Folio: 34
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Elisabeth Mills 44
Isabella Mills 23
Thomas Mills 1

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 Apr 2022 11:52

ELLIOT, WILLIAM MILLS
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in GLENDALE UNION Volume 25 Page 293

ELLIOT, WALTER MILLS
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in THE BERWICK UPON TWEED UNION Volume 25 Page 21

ELLIOT, GEORGE MILLS
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in GLENDALE UNION Volume 25 Page 275

ELLIOTT, ELIZABETH MILLS
GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in GLENDALE UNION Volume 25 Page 282

ELLIOTT, ROBERT JAMES MILLS
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in GLENDALE Volume 10B Page 286

From the following FREE site

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 Apr 2022 12:03

Found by GOOGLING

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Elliott_(rower)

William Elliott was born at Hay Farm, Northumberland, 28 November 1849 and was the Professional Sculling Champion of England. He stood five feet seven and one half inches in height and untrained he weighed 176 pounds; trained, 167 pounds.

AND..........................

https://history.nerowing.com/wiki/William_Elliott

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Apr 2022 12:29

Welcome to the boards, Lynn.

Posting the 1861 census which you mention, for our reference:

William Elliott
in the 1861 England Census
Name: William Elliott
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: 1849
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where Born: Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Westgate
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Newcastle upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration District: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 123
Piece: 3815
Folio: 69
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Isabella Bebb 56
Catharine Bebb 19
Thomas Elliott 19 - Berwick
William Elliott 12


I wonder if William is on the 1861 twice - once with parents as in 1861 posted by ErikaH, and again as a boarder in Newcastle.

However, the names are very common.

Maddie

Maddie Report 10 Apr 2022 13:28

parish transcript

John
Spouse's marital status Spinster
Last name Elliott
First witness Walter Elliott
Residence Ancroft Durham
Second witness Isabel Elliott
Marital status Bachelor
Licence or banns Banns
Marriage year 1842
Record type Bishop's Transcripts
Marriage date 24 Apr 1842
Archive Durham University Library
Denomination Anglican
Register type Baptisms, marriages & burials
Place Ancroft
Register year range 1764-1867
County Northumberland
Record set Northumberland Marriages
Country England
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Spouse's first name(s) Isabella
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Spouse's last name Mills
Collections from England, Great Britain
Spouse's residence Ancroft Durham


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Ord Mains, Tweedmouth, Berwick upon Tweed, Durham & Northumberland, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Thomas Elliot Male 50 1791 Durham, England
Mary Elliot Female 45 1796 Durham, England
John Elliot Male 25 1816 Durham, England
Walter Elliot Male 20 1821 Durham, England ----
Thomas Elliot Male 15 1826 Durham, England
William Elliot Male 12 1829 Durham, England
Isabella Elliot Female 15 1826 Durham, England ------------

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Ancroft, Berwick upon Tweed, Durham & Northumberland, England

Household members (3 people)
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Elisabeth Mills Female 44 1797 -
Isabella Mills Female 23 1818 Durham, England
Thomas Mills Male 1 1840 Durham, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 Apr 2022 15:33

FMP version of 1861 posted above - with birthplaces etc

2, Marlborough Place, Westgate, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Isabella Bebb - Widow Female 56 1805 - Aberdeen, Scotland
Catharine Bebb Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1842 - Aberdeen, Scotland
Thomas Elliott Boarder Unmarried Male 19 1842 - Berwick, Scotland
William Elliott Boarder Unmarried Male 12 1849 - Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland, England

safc

safc Report 11 Apr 2022 00:54

Name William Elliott
Sex Male
Age 1
Event Date 1851
Event Place , Northumberland, England
Registration District Belford
Residence Note Preston
Birth Year (Estimated) 1850
Birthplace Rothbury, Northumberland
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Event Type Census
Page Number 45
Piece/Folio 2420 / 26
Registration Number HO107
William Elliott's Parents and Siblings
John Elliott
Father
M
26
Ellingham, Northumberland
Name John Elliott
Sex Male
Age 26
Event Date 1851
Event Place , Northumberland, England
Registration District Belford
Residence Note Preston
Birth Year (Estimated) 1825
Birthplace Ellingham, Northumberland
Marital Status Married
Occupation Farm Steward xxxxxxxxx
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Event Type Census
Page Number 45
Piece/Folio 2420 / 26
Registration Number HO107
Margaret Jane Elliott
Mother
F
29
Edlingham, Northumberland
Name Margaret Jane Elliott
Sex Female
Age 29
Event Date 1851
Event Place , Northumberland, England
Registration District Belford
Residence Note Preston
Birth Year (Estimated) 1822
Birthplace Edlingham, Northumberland
Marital Status Married
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Event Type Census
Page Number 45
Piece/Folio 2420 / 26
Registration Number HO107
Other People on This Record
Mary Jane Young
F
12
Rothbury, Northumberland
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Lynn10

Lynn10 Report 11 Apr 2022 17:34

Hi and thankyou for such a warm welcome and such an amazing response :-D I'm blown away with all the help and information you have all sent, seriously a great big thankyou ?? I only realised today that I had replies as the notification never went to my email, although I had ticked the box. I'm NOT a whizz with technology for sure!
Hopefully the more time I spend on here the better I will get and find other sites I can use which you have highlighted for me. Any tips will certainly be more than appreciated!!!

I'm going to spend the evening going through it all and can’t wait to share this with Dad, I know he will be thrilled!!

Again, Thankyou all :-D :-D

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Apr 2022 17:41

Unfortunately, GR doesn't notify you when there are replies on your thread - even if you tick the box. You have to keep looking at the thread.

That's one of a few things on the site which used to work but don't now.