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I don't see anything on BNA.

If the stories are true, any court case must have been between 1946, when Elsie and Bertie's last child was born, and 1960 when his father died.

Refusal to pay child maintenance can result in up to 6 weeks in prison - so there may not be anything more to it than that.

I’m not sure you can get prison records. Try looking at local papers.

Hi
How would i find out prison records as ive be chatting to a New family member of my grandad berties sisters great grand daughters with has been so lovely,but found out which i knew he went to prison and at the same time his father Bertie had a heart attack,ive wondered if its worth emailing Norwich prison if they could tell me why he went to prison in Norwich ,ive found so much out but id like to know why grandad bertie went to prison i was told it was for not paying my grandmother child maintenance but it must be more that just that,
Thank you
Melanie

Have you checked replies on your most recent thread?

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1402803

He may have been cremated and his ashes scattered, in which case there will be no grave.


Presumably the reason for your dad and his siblings not seeing their father was because of Bertie's split with Elsie.
It must have been a bitter separation, as she didn't want her children to have anything to do with him.
You may never find out the reason.

Hi
Thank you all ,yes ive done lots of research im just trying to fine out where my grandad is buried and anything about him,we never saw my dads side only my grandmother elsie may gpddard she lived at willingham near beccles and her sister use to live next door to her,but as far as my dads father never saw him once groiwng up and i feel sad and gutted for thing know he was still alike until a month that i left school ,but im thinking about going to see an auntie my dads sister to see if she will talk about him not sure why my dad or aunties never saw him or why we wasnt aloud to see him ,so will find out soon i hope and get some answers from her,i used to live in Halesworth suffolk and to know some of my dads side was still 5 minutes up the road from me when i was younger its just very sad to know we must have walked passed as strangers ,we always saw my mothers side of the family,but i just need to find anyone from my dads side apart from my dads brothers n sisters and my cousind from them,so thank you to those whose helped xx

Hi
Thank you all ,yes ive done lots of research im just trying to fine out where my grandad is buried and anything about him,we never saw my dads side only my grandmother elsie may gpddard she lived at willingham near beccles and her sister use to live next door to her,but as far as my dads father never saw him once groiwng up and i feel sad and gutted for thing know he was still alike until a month that i left school ,but im thinking about going to see an auntie my dads sister to see if she will talk about him not sure why my dad or aunties never saw him or why we wasnt aloud to see him ,so will find out soon i hope and get some answers from her,i used to live in Halesworth suffolk and to know some of my dads side was still 5 minutes up the road from me when i was younger its just very sad to know we must have walked passed as strangers ,we always saw my mothers side of the family,but i just need to find anyone from my dads side apart from my dads brothers n sisters and my cousind from them,so thank you to those whose helped xx

Name: Reginald Seymour Goddard
Death Date: 10 Sep 1973
Death Place: West Earlham Norwich
Probate Date: 28 Sep 1973
Probate Registry: Ipswich

Name: Reginald Seymour Goddard
Death Age: 53
Birth Date: 4 Mar 1920
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep 1973
Registration District: Norwich
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 1690

Name: Bertie William Goddard
Death Age: 77
Birth Date: Sep 1907
Registration Date: Apr 1985
Registration District: Norwich Outer
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 10
Page: 1934

Elsie M
County Norfolk
Last name Goddard
Country England
Marriage quarter 1
Volume 4B
Marriage year 1958
Volume as transcribed 4B
Registration month -
Page number 1547
MarriageFinder™ Elsie M Goddard married one of these people
Alfred W Till

2 children born 1959 1965 norwich
married daughter may be on er 2021 bury st edmunds

Raymond C
County Norfolk
Last name Goddard
Country England
Marriage quarter 4
Volume 4B
Marriage year 1948
Volume as transcribed 4B
Registration month -
Page number 1339
MarriageFinder™ Raymond C Goddard married one of these people
Joan L Obey

six children born btn 1949 - 66

one son may be on er 2021 for norwich

Name: Violet R Goddard
Registration Date: Oct 1940
[Nov 1940]
[Dec 1940]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Norwich
Inferred County: Norfolk
Spouse: Thomas Leach
Volume Number: 4b
Page Number: 486

Name: Violet Rose Leach
Death Age: 81
Birth Date: 18 Feb 1911
Registration Date: Dec 1992
Registration District: Norwich
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 10
Page: 1748

daughters born 1941 and 46 downham

ellen
Name: Ellen R Goddard
Registration Date: Apr 1938
[May 1938]
[Jun 1938]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Norwich
Inferred County: Norfolk
Spouse: Charles N A Yallop
Volume Number: 4b
Page Number: 417

Name: Ellen Rose Yallop
Death Age: 72
Birth Date: 21 Sep 1909
Registration Date: Apr 1982
[May 1982]
[Jun 1982]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Norwich Outer
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 10
Page: 1846

1939 Register
9 Council Houses, Ashby St Mary, Loddon R.D., Norfolk, England
1939 register badge

Charles N A Yallop 25 Jan 1914 Male Market Gardener's Labourer Married 57 1
Ellen R Yallop 21 Sep 1909 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 57 2
George A Goddard 16 Jan 1913 Male General Farm Labourer Single 57 3
Joan (E) Hurrell (Lucas) 21 Jan 1927 Female At School Single 57 4

cant find any children

you may not have this

Name: Bertie William Goddard
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 3 Sep 1907
Birth Place: Westhall, Halesworth, Suffolk
First Service Date: 7 Oct 1926
First Ship Served On: Pembroke II
Last Service Date: 19 Apr 1927
Last Ship Served On: Repulse
Service Number: KX 77185


Name: Bertie William Goddard
Medal or Award: Royal Fleet Reserve Long Service and Good Conduct Medal
Service Year: 1935-1952

brother cecil
Name: Cecil P Goddard
Registration Date: Jan 1950
[Feb 1950]
[Mar 1950]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Norwich
Inferred County: Norfolk
Spouse: Gertrude L Cubitt
Volume Number: 4b
Page Number: 1204

cannot see any children born


Name: Mr Cecil Percy Goddard
Gender: Male
Age: 92
Birth Date: 1909
Last Residence: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Postal Code District: Nr4
Death Date: 1 Aug 2001

1939 Register
Low Farm Cottages, Brampton Beeches, Holton, Wainford R.D., Suffolk, England

Thomas C Aldrich 05 Sep 1883 Male Horseman On Farm Widowed 57 1
Elsie M Goddard 04 Dec 1909 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 57 2

3 closed records

Birth:
GODDARD, BERTIE WILLIAM mmn STANNARD
GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 1054


Parents' marriage:

Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
Goddard Bertie Blything 4a 2194
STANNARD Emma Eliza Blything 4a 2194

Siblings:


GODDARD, CECIL PERCY mmn STANNARD
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 1035

GODDARD, ELLEN ROSE mmn STANNARD
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 1043

GODDARD, DOROTHY MAY mmn STANNARD
GRO Reference: 1914 J Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 2109

GODDARD, VIOLET ROSE mmn STANNARD
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 1085

GODDARD, ARTHUR GEORGE mmn STANNARD
GRO Reference: 1913 M Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 2089

GODDARD, HENRY VICTOR mmn STANNARD
GRO Reference: 1916 J Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 2098

GODDARD, IVY MAUD mmn STANNARD
GRO Reference: 1918 S Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 1495

GODDARD, REGINALD SEYMOUR mmn STANNARD
GRO Reference: 1920 J Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 2347

GODDARD, CATHERINE BEATRICE mmn STANNARD
GRO Reference: 1921 S Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 2017

GODDARD, JOAN ANNIE mmn STANNARD
GRO Reference: 1923 D Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 1765

GODDARD, RAYMOND CHARLES mmn STANNARD
GRO Reference: 1925 D Quarter in WANGFORD Volume 04A Page 1645

Births Mar 1927 (>99%)
Goddard Ernest A Stannard Wangford 4a 1682

Births Jun 1928 (>99%)
Goddard Elsie M Stannard Wangford 4a 1739





Bertie Goddard
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Bertie Goddard
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Westhall, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Spexhall
Country: England
Street Address: Stone Street, Spexhall, Halesworth
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 4
Estimated Marriage Year: 1907
Occupation: Horseman on Farm
Registration District Number: 216
Sub-registration District: Southwold
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Piece: 10983
Household Members:
Name Age
Bertie Goddard 28
Emma Eliza Goddard 25
Bertie William Goddard 3 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Ceriel Percey Goddard 2
Ellen Goddard 1
Voviet Rose Goddard 1/12
Eliza Goddard 69



Emma E Gooddard
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Emma E Gooddard
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 8 Jun 1885
Residence Date: 1939
Address: Nr Church Ruins
Residence Place: Forehoe and Henstead, Norfolk, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 25
Schedule Number: 128
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: Trle
Borough: Forehoe and Henstead
Registration district: 224/3
Inferred Spouse:
[No Name]
Inferred Children:
Raymond C Gooddard
Household Members Age
Emma E Gooddard 54
Raymond C Gooddard 14
This record is officially closed.
Elsie M Goddard 11
Victor M Goddard 22
Reginald S Goddard 19
This record is officially closed.

The father Bertie is also with the family in 1939, but transcribed separately (wrongly) on Ancestry:

Bertie Gooddard
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Bertie Gooddard
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 10 May 1883
Residence Date: 1939
Address: Bowthorpe
Residence Place: Forehoe and Henstead, Norfolk, England
Occupation: Horseman on Farm
Line Number: 24
Schedule Number: 128
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: Trle
Borough: Forehoe and Henstead
Registration district: 224/3
Inferred Spouse:
[No Name]
Household Members Age
Bertie Gooddard 56

No wonder I couldn’t find a marriage - the female’s maiden name was ALDRICH
Thanks, Shirley

You haven’t acknowledged the info posted on your original thread on general board

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_chat/thread/1399960

You must have read it as it advised you to post on this or Find living board :-)

Look in ‘search all member trees’ for the names you know, and if they appear, send a contact message. If the tree owner still uses the e-mail registered with GR, he/she will be notified and have the option of responding

Have you done any research yourself?

Where in the world did these people live?

looking for some relatives my dads side, my Grandads name was Bert or known as Bertie Goddard, he was married to my nanny Elsie may aldridge, but was separated ,in looking for any of Grandads brothers or sisters children of grandchildren will be lovely to hear from anyone really and to know anything about my grandad as we never has his in our lives growing up ,would have loved too but it is what is was ,grandad was born 1909 and passed away 1985 .i also know grandad had a big family too ,he was one of 14 children .
thank you
melanie