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Yes, it was your lead that helped me, thank you all very much.

That's good to know, Deborah!

I wrote to Edward Knighton yesterday, and we are now in communication, it seems that he is also is a distant relative of Charles Birney Carrothers. Charles is in fact the 3x Great Grandfather of my cousin whom I am working on this with. Edward hasn't been able to find any parents yet either.

Just wanted to say thank you for the lead, apparently he has a lot more information about Charles, although not the name of his parents.

I will also follow up the other lead you gave me for possible parents for Maria.


Thanks again.

She was in West Derby (Liverpool) in 1881 - no indication of connections to Manchester area

Possible death of Maria Anna ??

Deaths Jun 1883 (>99%)
Carruthers Mary 72 Chorlton 8c 447

Sorry for delay, yes I do have most of it, its Charles parents which is the missing piece of information, there are 3 of us working on it, and none of us can find the parents. I was hoping to find a baptism record in the absence of a marriage record, I will have to look again later as I am out today.

Thank you for all your help so far.

I said there was no parental info on the Ancestry 'tree'.

Sorry I didn’t post any later info, as I assumed you had it all - having worked back to Charles and Maria :-( :-(

Thank you again Shirley, I was looking for a baptism record for Charles, but have had no luck, was hoping it would show his parents.

Have been looking at the tree on Ancestry which ErikaH mentioned earlier, it is very well documented, but no mention of his parents.

From a tree on ancestry

Major John Gore Knox Major, Greenwood Park
1784–1861
BIRTH 29 MAY 1784 • Kilfian, Tyrawley Barony, County Mayo, Ireland
DEATH 10 MAR 1861 • Greenwood Park; County Mayo, Ireland

Wife

Jane Adelaide Handy
1790–1894
BIRTH 1790
DEATH 1894 • Ballina, Mayo, Ireland

That's brilliant, thank you Shirley.

1871 census
Name: Maria Anne Carruthers
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: 1809
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Mayo Ireland
Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household schedule number: 160
Piece: 3783
Folio: 154
Page number: 35
Household Members Age Relationship
Maria Anne Carruthers 62 Head annuitant
C A Carruthers
25 Son
A W Carruthers
23 Son


1881 in workhouse

Name: Maria Carruthers
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relationship to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where Born: Coy Mayo, Ireland
Civil Parish: Walton on Hill
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: "West Derby Workhouse" Rice St
Marital status: Widow
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: No Occupation
Registration District: West Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: Westerby Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3694
Folio: 39
Page Number: 19
Household Members:

1891 census
Name: Charles A Carruthers
Gender: Male
Age: 42
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1849
Spouse:
Mary J Carruthers
Child:
John H Carruthers
William A Carruthers
Mary J Carruthers
George F Carruthers
Birth Place: Belfast >>>>>>>>
Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Stanley St Ann
Residence Place: West Derby, Lancashire, England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: West Derby (Rural)
ED, Institution or Vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2999
Folio: 134
Household Members Age Relationship
Charles A Carruthers 42 Head
Mary J Carruthers
37 Wife
John H Carruthers
13 Son
William A Carruthers
10 Son
Mary J Carruthers
7 Daughter
George F Carruthers
4 Son
Sarah Williams
62 Mother-in-law




Carrothers
in the Belfast, Northern Ireland, The Belfast Newsletter (Birth, Marriage and Death Notices), 1738-1925
Name: Carrothers
Gender: Male
Notice Type: Birth
Birth Date: 3 May 1847
Birth Place: Belfast, Northern Ireland
Father:
Captain Carrothers
Mother:
Carrothers
Publication Date: 4 May 1847
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I will have a look at that, thank you ArgyllGran.

Not born in Scotland, (at least no baptism record on SP)

From a tree on Ancestry, re DOB:

"An estimate based on his first commission as an ensign in 1808. After 1795, the minimum age requirement to join the Army was 16."

The tree (owner Edward Knighton; tree name "C B Carrothers Tree") seems to have quite a bit of info about his time as a soldier.

Lots of proof attached - interestingly, the tree says he was in France in 1813, Belgium in 1815 (during the Peninsular campaigns, per his death notice in the Belfast Newsletter of 3 March 1852) , and Limerick in 1833 when he retired.

But nothing about his parents.

That's an interesting find Shirley, we do know that a lot of them moved to Liverpool.

Name: Charles Augustus Carrothers
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 24
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1848
Marriage Date: 18 Feb 1872
Marriage Place: Liverpool, St Jude, Lancashire, England
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Father:
Charles Bernie Carrothers
Spouse:
Mary Jane Williams

Fathers occ soldier

Yes.

The death posted above was of a 20-year-old

Thank you Shirley, that's where most of my Irish Ancestors are buried.

Ok, thanks ErikaH, I appreciate your help.