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hank you to all that have replied to my query. I will read through all replies and transpose them to my data sheets. If you guys do not mind may hay to come back with more questions.

Roy

only bapt for mary ann smith, but none for morval

Callington Mary Ann SMITH Nichls: Hannah more
1791 Maker Mary Ann SMITH Will. Mary more
1791 Maker Mary Ann SMITH Henry Joanna more
1796 Illogan Mary Ann SMITH Thomas Mary more
1796 Illogan Mary Ann SMITH Thomas Mary more
1799 Falmouth Mary Ann SMITH Henry Mary more
1801 Neot, St. Mary Ann SMITH Mary more
1801 Neot, St. Mary Ann SMITH Mary more
1802 Neot, St. Mary Ann SMITH Thomas Margery more
1802 Neot, St. Mary Ann SMITH Thomas Margery more
1803 Madron Mary Anne SMITH Benjamin more
1803 Madron Mary Anne SMITH Benjamin more
1804 Camborne Mary Anne SMITH Mark Mary more
1804 Camborne Mary Anne SMITH Mark Mary more

Working back, it seems that the poster’s mother is/was a daughter of Sydney Reuben

reuben with his mother
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Zion Street, St Andrew, Plymouth, Devon, England
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Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Reuben Oliver Head
- Male 48 1823 - Cornwall, England
Sarah J Oliver Wife
- Female 49 1822 - Cornwall, England
Mary A S Oliver Daughter
- Female 29 1842 - Cornwall, England
Lavenia Oliver Daughter
- Female 19 1852 - Cornwall, England
Thomas Oliver Son
- Male 16 1855 - Devon, England
Mary A Oliver Mother
- Female 74 1797 - Cornwall, England

Reuben Grylls
Mother's last name -
Last name Oliver
Relationship Son
Gender Male
Place Bodmin
Birth year 1823
County Cornwall
Baptism year 1823
Country England
Baptism date 26 Dec 1823
Record set Cornwall Baptisms
Parish Bodmin
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's first name(s) William
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Father's last name Oliver
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Mother's first name(s) Mary Ann

William
Bride's first name(s) Mary Ann
Last name Oliver
Bride's last name SMITH
Birth year -
County Cornwall
Marriage year 1819
Country England
Marriage date 28 Oct 1819
Record set Cornwall Marriages
Parish Bodmin
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Place Bodmin
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Groom's first name(s) William
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Groom's last name OLIVER

sarah jane's marriage ?????
Sarah Jane Esto
Father's first name(s) Ruben
Last name Oliver
Father's last name Oliver
Birth year 1846
Spouse's father's first name(s) Abraham
Age 49
Spouse's father's last name Parker
Year 1895
County Devon
Marriage date 11 Feb 1895
Country England
Place Plymouth, Holy Trinity
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Denomination Anglican
Record set Devon Marriages And Banns
Spouse's first name(s) William Henry
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Spouse's last name Parker
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Spouse birth year 1830
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Spouse's age 65

admin to reuben grylls oliver


Name: Sydney Benmore Oliver
Death Date: 15 Oct 1948
Death Place: Plymouth
Probate Date: 16 Feb 1950
Probate Registry: London, England

grandparents

Name: Reuben Oliver
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Jane Oliver
Gender: Male
Where Born: Bodmin, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Antony
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Town: Torpoint
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: St Germans
Sub-registration District: Anthony
ED, institution, or vessel: 5b
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 42
Piece: 1900
Folio: 165
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Reuben Oliver 28
Sarah Jane Oliver 28 ---- nee richards maarried 1841
Mary A S Oliver 8
Isabella Oliver 6
Sarah Jane E Oliver 3

Sarah J Oliver

in the 1891 England Census

Name: Sarah J Oliver
Gender: Female
Age: 43
Relationship: Sister
Birth Year: 1848
Civil parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
Residence Place: Plymouth, St Andrew, Devon, England
Registration district: Plymouth
Sub registration district: St Andrew
ED, Institution or Vessel: 27
Neighbors:
Piece: 1737
Folio: 73
Household Members Age Relationship
Isabella Ellis
47 Head --- married 1868 plymouth to john ellis
Florance Ellis
19 Daughter
Rueben Ellis
13 Son
Mary E Ellis
7 Daughter
Minnie A Ellis
6 Daughter
Sarah J Oliver 43 Sister
Sidney Oliver
16 Nephew

Sarah Jane Easto
Country England
Last name Oliver
Volume 9
Birth quarter 3
Page 85
Birth year 1847
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Richards -----------------
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District St. Germans
Subcategory Civil Births
County Cornwall

ancestry suggests

Name: William Hoskin Oliver
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 20 Jul 1794
Baptism Place: Bodmin,Cornwall,England
Father:
Henry Oliver
Mother:
Elizth.
FHL Film Number: 962600

Name: William Hoskin Oliver
Gender: Male
Death Date: abt 1853
Burial Date: 2 Feb 1853
Burial Place: Bodmin, Cornwall, England
FHL Film Number: 1545323
Reference ID: 164

Name: Willm Hosking Oliver
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Oliver
Gender: Male
Where Born: Bodmin, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Bodmin
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County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Bodmin
Sub-registration District: Lanlivery
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 13a
Piece: 1904
Folio: 372
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Willm Hosking Oliver 56
Mary Ann Oliver 52
James Oliver 18
Caroline Oliver 15
Isabella Oliver 12

Name: Mary Ann Oliver
Age: 91
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration Place: Bodmin, Cornwall, United Kingdom
Death Date: Mar 1888
Inferred Death Place: Cornwall, United Kingdom
Volume: 5c
Page: 62

1927 electoral roll

23 Elphinstone Dwellings, Devon, England



Rosina
Year range 1927-1927
Last name Oliver
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Event year 1927
Archive reference 54/100
Address/Polling District/Parish Elphinstone Dwellings
Folio 12
Place Plymouth
Record set Devon, Plymouth & West Devon Electoral Registers 1780-1973
County Devon
Category Census, land & surveys
Country England
Subcategory Electoral Rolls
Event Electoral register
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With Sydney Binmore Oliver !

Births and deaths of the 2 children shown as born but had died by the 1911 census

Births -
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
OLIVER, GEORGE EDWARD SHELDON
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 179

OLIVER, LAVINIA JANE SHELDON
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 206

Deaths -
Name: Age at Death (in years):
OLIVER, GEORGE EDWARD 1
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 159

OLIVER, LAVINIA JANE 2
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 162

And some more I somehow missed:

OLIVER, REUBEN GRYLLS mmn SHELDON
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 193


OLIVER, GEORGE EDWARD mmn SHELDON
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 179

OLIVER, LAVINIA JANE mmn SHELDON
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 206


Deaths - sadly two in the same quarter:

Deaths Dec 1906 (>99%)
Oliver George Edward 1 Plymouth 5b 159
Oliver Lavinia Jane 2 Plymouth 5b 162


Deaths Sep 1911 (>99%)
Oliver Sydney 0 Plymouth 5b 274


That's the 8 births and 2 deaths stated in 1911 accounted for.

More children

Births Sep 1911
Oliver Sydney Sheldon Plymouth 5b 346

Sadly

Deaths Sep 1911 (>99%)
Oliver Sydney 0 Plymouth 5b 274


Births Sep 1912
Oliver Beatrice Sheldon Plymouth 5b 461

Edit look like she died still single

Beatrice Oliver
Death Age: 70
Birth Date: 8 Aug 1912
Registration Date: Jan 1983
[Feb 1983]
[Mar 1983]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Plymouth
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 21
Page: 1911

Rosina's parents in 1911:

Edward Sheldon
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Edward Sheldon
Age in 1911: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Plymouth, Devon
Civil Parish: Plymouth
Country: England
Street Address: 77 Exeter Street, Plymouth
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Fisherman Retired Traveller
Registration District Number: 276
Sub-registration District: Plymouth South East
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Piece: 12967
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Sheldon 67
Emma Jane Sheldon 65
John Sheldon 29


Edwin Sheldon
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Edwin Sheldon
Registration Year: 1870
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Plymouth
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 492
Records on Page:
Name
Emma Jane Rendle
Edwin Sheldon


Edward Sheldon
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Edward Sheldon
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Death Registration Place: Plymouth, Devonshire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Dec 1914
Inferred Death Place: Devonshire, United Kingdom
Volume: 5b
Page: 325


Emma J Sheldon
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Emma J Sheldon
Death Age: 87
Birth Date: abt 1850
Registration Date: Jan 1937[Feb 1937] [Mar 1937]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Plymouth
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 482



Emma Rendle
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Emma Rendle
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Rendle
Mother's Name: Sarah Rendle
Gender: Female
Where Born: Plymouth, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Plymouth Charles the Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: Sutton on Plym
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Plymouth
Sub-registration District: Charles
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 2
Piece: 1878
Folio: 53
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
William Rendle 51
Sarah Rendle 43
Fanney Rendle 27
Henry Rendle 17
Maryann Rendle 8
James Rendle 4
Emma Rendle 1

Birth of Rosina and Albert's daughter, shown as Elizabeth A in 1901 census posted earlier:

COOPER, ANNIE ELIZABETH mmn SHELDON
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 262


Annie Elizabeth Cooper
in the Devon, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1920
Name: Annie Elizabeth Cooper
Birth Date: 6 Sep 1896
Baptism Date: 17 Nov 1896
Baptism Place: Plymouth, St Saviour, Devon, England
Religion: Anglican
Father: Albert Cooper
Mother: Rosina Mary Cooper


Can't see her after 1901, so far.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Lower Street, Plymouth, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Sidney Oliver Inmate Married Male 25 1876 General laborer Plymouth, Devon, England
Rosina Oliver Wife Married Female 21 1880 - Plymouth, Devon, England
Sidney Oliver Son - Male 2 1899 - Plymouth, Devon, England
Florence Oliver Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Plymouth, Devon, England

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1911 Census For England & Wales
15 Higher Street Plymouth, Plymouth, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Sydney Oliver Head Married Male 37 1874 Dock labourer Plymouth Devon
Rosina Oliver Wife Married Female 33 1878 - Plymouth Devon
Sydney Oliver Son - Male 13 1898 School Plymouth Devon
Florence Oliver Daughter - Female 11 1900 School Plymouth Devon
Rosina Oliver Daughter - Female 9 1902 - Plymouth Devon
Isabel Oliver Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Plymouth Devon
Reuben Oliver Son - Male 0 1911 - Plymouth Devon

Original says that they've been married 15 years and had 8 children - 6 still living and 2 have died

Births of several children already posted, and Rosina's first marriage.

Rosina's birth:

SHELDON, ROSINA MARY mmn RENDLE
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 247


Rosina Mary Sheldon
in the Devon, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1920
Name: Rosina Mary Sheldon
Birth Date: 18 Nov 1879
Baptism Date: 12 Dec 1879
Baptism Place: Plymouth, St Andrew, Devon, England
Religion: Anglican
Father:
Edwin Sheldon
Mother:
Emma Jane Sheldon
Page number: 152


she's not with her parents in 1901: - [EDIT: No, of course not - she was married by then! ]

Edwin Sheldon
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Edwin Sheldon
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Male
Spouse: Emma Jane Sheldon
Birth Place: Plymouth
Civil Parish: Plymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: 14 Lower Street
Occupation:
Registration District: Plymouth
Sub-registration District: Charles
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors:
Piece: 2097
Folio: 71
Page Number: 71
Household Schedule Number: 545
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Sheldon 56 - fisherman
Emma Jane Sheldon 53
John Edward Sheldon 19
Florence Sheldon 15
James R Sheldon 10
Elizth Ann Coper 4 - grandchild [ Presumably Cooper, Rosina's child ]

The whole family born Plymouth

1911 census

Name: Sydney Oliver
Age in 1911: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Plymouth, Devon
Civil Parish: Plymouth
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Country: England
Street Address: 15 Higher Street, Plymouth
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Dock Labourer
Registration District Number: 276
Sub-registration District: Plymouth South East
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Piece: 12967
Household Members:
Name Age
Sydney Oliver 37
Rosina Oliver 33
Sydney Oliver 13
Florence Oliver 11
Rosina Oliver 9
Isabel Oliver 3
Reuben Oliver 10/12
married 15 years 8 children born 6 still living

1921 Census Of England & Wales transcript

Rosina M, Sydney B, Sydney R and 4 others are on this record

Rosina M Oliver 1877 Plymouth, Devon, England Plymouth Plymouth Devon

Of the 4 others - Rosina M b 1902 and Isobel H b 1908 can be picked up. There is a Reuben of the right year of birth but shows on his own - a mistranscription perhaps?

You can look at the 1921 census yourself via the Find My Past website - you don't have to be a member. You can then buy a copy of either the transcription or original. Suggest original, a little more expensive, but no transcription errors.

Seems they were together way before 1916!

1901 census
Name: Sidney Oliver
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Rosina Oliver
Birth Place: Plymouth
Civil Parish: Plymouth
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Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Plymouth
Sub-registration District: Charles
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2097
Folio: 73
Page Number: 76
Household Schedule Number: 577
Household Members:
Name Age
Sidney Oliver 25
Rosina Oliver 21
Sidney Oliver 2
Florence Oliver 11/12

If this couple were your mother’s grandparents, you must know who at least one of their children was.
Please give full details

You've asked for info on Sidney & Rosina's children.
Which of your mother's parents was their child?

Here's the marriage of a daughter:

Florence Blanche May Oliver
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Florence Blanche May Oliver
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 31
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1901
Marriage Date: 9 Oct 1932
Marriage Place: St John the Evangelist, Goose Green, East Dulwich Road, Camberwell, Southwark, England
Father: Sydney Benmore Oliver
Spouse: Frederick Maddison


Birth:
OLIVER, FLORENCE BLANCHE mmn SHELDON
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 218

Other children:

OLIVER, ROSINA MARY mmn SHELDON
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 201

OLIVER, SYDNEY REUBEN mmn SHELDON
GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 248

OLIVER, ALEC GEORGE EBURY mmn SHELDON
GRO Reference: 1922 S Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 409

OLIVER, CHARLES EDWARD mmn SHELDON
GRO Reference: 1920 J Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 486



Sidney & Rosina must have lived as man & wife for a long time before marriage. Presumably Rosina wasn't free to remarry.

Marriages Sep 1916 (>99%)
Cooper Rosina M Oliver Plymouth 5b 552
Oliver Sydney B Cooper Plymouth 5b 552


Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%)
Cooper Albert Plymouth 5b 513
Sheldon Rosina Mary Plymouth 5b 513

No death for 1942

Looks more like it

Deaths Jun 1946
Oliver Sydney 68 Plymouth 5b 375

Or

Sydney B
District Plymouth
Last name Oliver
County Devon
Gender Unknown
Volume 7A
Birth day -
Page 644
Birth month -
Country England
Birth year 1874
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Age 74