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Thank you Maddie, are these off FMP or Ancestry?

Name: Maria Moss
Gender: Female
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 4 Jan 1822
Baptism Date: 24 Feb 1822
Baptism Place: Crathorne, Yorkshire, England
Denomination: Catholic
Mother:
Helena Moss

patrons joannus meyell matrina anna roles george conley ??? hard to read

wonder is this is any connection

Joannes
Mother's last name Rowles
Last name Meynell
County Yorkshire
Birth year 1821
Country England
Birth date 31 Mar 1821
Archive reference TNA/RG/4/3152
Baptism year 1821
Piece description YORKSHIRE: Crathorne, St Marys (Catholic): Births & Baptisms
Baptism date 01 Apr 1821
Record set England & Wales Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms
Place Crathorne
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Denomination Roman Catholic
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Father's first name(s) Joannis
Collections from Great Britain, England
Mother's first name(s) Maria

she may well have been the mother but there is no proof
i wonder if she changed her name

Hello, there is a Maria Moss born 4 January 1822 baptised 24 February 1822 at St Mary Roman Catholic Church at Crathorne, Yorkshire close to Hutton Rudby. Mother's name is Helena Moss which could be Ellen/Eleanor above. William and Robert could be Maria's children. No sign of Maria anywhere apart from her baptism which is off Family Search.

EDIT four of William and Helena's children were baptised at St Mary's and their names were in latin.

Thank you Maddie. So the name Moss comes from their grandmother's side and their mother could possibly be Ellen/Eleanor's niece or possibly Ellen/Eleanor had a child before she married William and they could be her children. I will now investigate, thank you again.

Jane Anne
Country England
Last name Meynell
Father's first name(s) William
Gender Female
Father's last name Meynell
Birth year 1836
Mother's first name(s) Helen
Birth place -
Mother's last name Moss
Baptism year 1837
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Baptism date 11 Jul 1837
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Place Crathorne
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
County Yorkshire

married 1855 to christopher smith

William
Spouse's age -
Last name Meynell
County Yorkshire
Name note -
Country England
Marriage year 1823
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Marriage date 13 Sep 1823
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Marriage place Hutton Rudby
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Spouse's first name(s) Eleanor
Collections from England, Great Britain
Spouse's last name Moss

daughter
Eleanor
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Last name Meynell
Record type Bishop's transcripts
Birth year -
Register type Baptisms, marriages & burials
Baptism year 1828
Register year range 1598-1856
Baptism date 11 Sep 1828
Page 72
Father's first name(s) William
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms
Mother's first name(s) Eleanor
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Baptism place Rudby
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
County Yorkshire (North Riding)

Eleanor
Church All Saints
Last name Meynell
Denomination Anglican
Birth year 1829
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Age Infant
Country England
Death year 1829
Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales
Burial year 1829
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Burial date 04 Apr 1829
Subcategory Parish Burials
Place Hutton Rudby

Robert
Country England
Last name Moss
Volume 24
Birth quarter 1
Page 494
Birth year 1845
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Moss
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Stokesley
Subcategory Civil Births
County Yorkshire

Robert Megnell
Spouse's father's last name Fawcett
Last name Moss
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Age Full Age
Country England
Residence Stainton
Archive North Yorkshire County Record Office
Marriage year 1874
Archive reference PR/STC 1/13
Marriage date 16 May 1874
Event type Marriages
Marriage place Stainton
Event year range 1837-1941
Spouse's first name(s) Jane
Page 114
Spouse's last name Fawcett
Record set Yorkshire Marriages
Spouse's age Full Age
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Spouse's residence Stainton
no father named

Name: Robert Meynell
Death Age: 75
Birth Date: abt 1845
Registration Date: Jul 1920
[Aug 1920]
[Sep 1920]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Stockton
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 83a

william in 1851 seems to have taken grandparents name later

William Moss in 1851
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
13, Bensons Yard, Hutton, Stokesley, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
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Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Meynell Head
W Male 54 1797 Carpenter employing 1 hand Hutton, Yorkshire, England
Robert Meynell Son
Unmarried Male 21 1830 Carpenter journeyman Hutton, Yorkshire, England
Jane Meynell Daughter
- Female 14 1837 Scholar Hutton, Yorkshire, England
Ellen Meynell Daughter
- Female 12 1839 Scholar Hutton, Yorkshire, England
William Moss Grandson
- Male 10 1841 Scholar Hutton, Yorkshire, England
Robert Moss Grandson
- Male 6 1845 - Hutton, Yorkshire, England
Name: Wm Meynel
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where Born: Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Hutton
Hundred: Langbaurgh (West Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: Stokesley
Sub-registration District: Hutton
Neighbors:
Piece: 1258
Book: 9
Folio: 7
Page Number: 7

1841
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Meynel 45
Ellen Meynel 45
Robert Meynel 11
George Meynel 9
Edward Meynel 6
Jam Meynel 4
Eleanor Meynel 2

brother arthur
MOSS, ARTHUR BOWMAN
GRO Reference: 1869 D Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 10A Page 65

also went by meynell

1911
Name: Arthur Meynell
Age in 1911: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Yarm, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Egglescliffe
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Country: England
Street Address: Hunter's Rest Yarm SO
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Farmer
Registration District Number: 544
Sub-registration District: Stockton
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Piece: 29585
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Meynell 41
Mary Meynell 43
Arthur Meynell 10
Stanley Wilks 14
William Walker 14
Ella Johnson 15


Name: Arthur Meynell
Death Date: 27 Nov 1927
Death Place: Yorkshire, England
Probate Date: 9 Jan 1928
Probate Registry: Durham

So John Henry swapped between Moss and Maynell. Thank you,

Thank you again Maddie, how strange. Wonder what caused the name change. I would never have found that using family search.

Name: John Henry Moss
Registration Year: 1883
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Darlington
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 29
Records on Page:
Name
Sarah Adams
Thompson Bullock
Ann Henderson
John Henry Moss


Name: John H Moss
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1863
Spouse:
Sarah Moss
Child:
Alice Moss
Bertha Moss
John Moss
Birth Place: Hutton Rudby, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Cockerton
Ecclesiastical parish: Darlington St Paul
Residence Place: Harrowgate Hill, Cockerton, Durham, England
Registration district: Darlington
Sub registration district: Aycliffe
ED, Institution or Vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Piece: 4046
Folio: 55
Household Members Age Relationship
John H Moss 28 Head
Sarah Moss
30 Wife
Alice Moss
5 Daughter
Bertha Moss
3 Daughter
John Moss
4/12 Son

Name: John H Meynell
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: abt 1862
Registration Date: Jul 1945
[Aug 1945]
[Sep 1945]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Darlington
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 12

Name: John H Meynell
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 8 Jun 1862
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 248
Residence Place: Darlington, Durham, England
Occupation: Funeral Director Joiner & Builder (Own Account
Line Number: 26
Schedule Number: 69
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: FAAG
Borough: Darlington
Registration district: 543-1
Inferred Spouse:
Sarah Meynell
Inferred Children:
Alice Meynell
Bertha Meynell
Household Members Age
John H Meynell 77
Sarah Meynell
79
Alice Meynell
53
Bertha Meynell
51

MOSS, JOHN HENRY BOWMAN
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in STOKESLEY Volume 09D Page 447

in the Web: Global, Gravestone Photograph Index, 1265-2014

Name: Margaret Meynell
Birth Year: 1840
Burial Year: 1929
Burial Place: Yarm on Tees, Yorkshire, England
Death Age: 89
Cemetery: Municipal
Original URL:
City URL:

according to ancestry a change of name in all census

Name: William Meynell
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: 1842
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Hutton Rudby, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Yarm West Side
Town: Yarm
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stockton
Sub-registration district: Yarm
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Household schedule number: 93
Piece: 4898
Folio: 79
Page number: 17
Household Members Age Relationship
William Meynell 29 Head
Margaret Meynell
30 Wife
John Henry Meynell
8 Son
Arthur Meynell
1 Son
Peter Rymer
27 Lodger

Name: William Meynell
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Margaret Meynell
Gender: Male
Where Born: Hutton Rudby, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Yarm
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: Low Church Wynd
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Joiner
Registration District: Stokesley
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors:
Piece: 4866
Folio: 59
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
William Meynell 40
Margaret Meynell 40
John H. Meynell 18
Arthur Meynell 11

Name: William Meynell
Gender: Male
Age: 49
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1842
Spouse:
Margaret Meynell
Child:
Arthur Meynell
Birth Place: Hutton Rudby, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Yarm
Ecclesiastical parish: Yarm
Residence Place: Yarm, Yarm, Yorkshire, England
Registration district: Stokesley
Sub registration district: Stokesley
ED, Institution or Vessel: 21
Neighbors:
Piece: 4023
Folio: 68
Household Members Age Relationship
William Meynell 49 Head
Margaret Meynell
50 Wife
Arthur Meynell
21 Son
William Meynell
7 Grandson

Name: William Meynell
Age in 1911: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hutton Rudby, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Yarm
Search Photos: Search for 'Yarm' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Country: England
Street Address: High Street Yarm S O
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Retired Cartwright
Registration District Number: 536
Sub-registration District: Stokesley
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Piece: 29344
Household Members:
Name Age
William Meynell 69
Margaret Meynell 70



Name: William Meynell
Death Date: 3 Apr 1933
Death Place: Yorkshire, England
Probate Date: 14 Aug 1933
Probate Registry: Durham
probate to john henry meynall

So, although William's father is George Whorlton, William is in fact illegitimate. There are three baptisms at Hutton Rudby which I think may be William and Margaret's children, John Henry 1862, William 1867 and Arthur 1870 but I cannot find any sign of the family on the 1871 census. Can anyone find them? thanks.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MOSS, WILLIAM -
GRO Reference: 1841 D Quarter in STOKESLEY UNION Volume 24 Page 471

Thank you very much, Maddie and Erika.

Groom’s father George Whorlton, Grocer
Bride’s father John Bowman, Collier
Date 26th May

Groom 20
Bride 21

Witnesses Kingston Hollinson and Jane Anne ?Iveson?

William
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Last name Moss
Spouse's father's last name Bowman
Birth year 1842
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Age 20
Country England
Residence Hutton
Archive North Yorkshire County Record Office
Marriage year 1862
Archive reference PR/HTR 1/11
Marriage date 26 May 1862
Event type Marriages
Marriage place Hutton Rudby
Event year range 1837-1929
Spouse's first name(s) Margaret
Page 88
Spouse's last name Bowman
Record set Yorkshire Marriages
Spouse's age 21
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Spouse's residence Hutton
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Father's first name(s) George
Collections from England, Great Britain
Father's last name Whorlton