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Nicola'S
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7 Jan 2022 16:05 |
Thank you all. :-D
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ArgyllGran
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6 Jan 2022 21:10 |
"Church of England clergy often described themselves as a clerk in holy orders, or simply, clerk. Formerly a commercial clerk was called a scrivener or writer."
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/England_Religious_Occupations_(National_Institute)
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lancashireAnn
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6 Jan 2022 17:03 |
I don't know if you have this but for general interest -
"he was from 1824 one of the four "king's preachers" for Lancashire, a sinecure office which was abolished in 1845."
King's Preacher definition:- (During the reign of a king) any of four clergymen appointed as itinerant preachers to promote Protestant doctrine in areas of Lancashire where Roman Catholicism persisted after the Reformation.
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lancashireAnn
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6 Jan 2022 16:58 |
"vicarage of Great Wilbraham in Cambridgeshire (of which his relatives were patrons)"
Did you know that being a patron of a church does not mean that they lived there. It usually means they have the 'gift of the living' by which an incumbent is appointed. The patron of our local church in Lancashire is Christ church Oxford.
"Smith was ordained in 1794 to the curacy of Edgbaston, Birmingham" so the interpretation of 'cleric' is very possible
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Nicola'S
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5 Jan 2022 22:22 |
Thank you LAnn. He wasn't a Methodist minister, he was Highmaster of Manchester Grammar School [Cheetham's] where many of my ancestors were scholars.
The very helpful tip at the head of my tip came via an entry in the Register - an absolutely fascinating book and available online - for one of my more prominent ancestors!!
Doncha just love family history. :-D
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lancashireAnn
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4 Jan 2022 17:04 |
another version of 'clerk in holy orders' is minister. If this was a Methodist minister he could belong to a 'circuit' preaching etc in a wide area. I have one relative in 1841 as a minister in the midlands but the rest of hi life was in Todmorden where he was born and brought up and where he became a mill owner instead. The whole family were 'Primitive Methodists'
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Nicola'S
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3 Jan 2022 11:23 |
Love that. :-D
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ArgyllGran
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3 Jan 2022 10:04 |
Freelancing ?!
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Nicola'S
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2 Jan 2022 23:45 |
Yes, I think that Independent Cleric is probably as close as we're going to get! In his obituary it lists many 'venues' to which he was associated in his professional capacity which might explain the "independent". Odd, though. :-S Thank you again.
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KathleenBell
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2 Jan 2022 11:17 |
I think you are right to assume that his occupation in 1841 was Independent Clerk (or Cleric)
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2 Jan 2022 07:13 |
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Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field (only fields with a value are shown) Value County Worcestershire Place (Links to more information) King's Norton Church name (Links to more information) St Nicolas Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register Marriage date 27 Jul 1811 Groom forename Jeremiah Groom surname SMITH Groom parish Manchester, County Lancashire Groom occupation Clerk of the parish of Manchester, County Lancashire Bride forename Felicia Bride surname ANDERTON Bride parish King's Norton Witness1 Wm. HICKS Witness2 Sarah ANDERTON Notes Witness 3 - Elizth. Simpson, witness 4 - Edwd. SIMPSON, witness 5 - Anne ANDERTON, witness 6 - Rebecca ANDERTON. Marriage by license Transcribed by Brenda Harrison File line number 921
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ArgyllGran
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2 Jan 2022 00:38 |
"Independent clerk" sounds reasonable.
His obituary says "In 1837 he resigned the High Mastership of the school andsthe rectory of St Anne's, and except the vicarage of Great Wilbraham in Cambridgeshire (of which his relatives were patrons), which he held until 1847, he lived the rest of his life in retirement."
https://tinyurl.com/4yzf8zrw
Not quite sure how he managed to be vicar of Great Wilbraham, when he's living in Brewood in 1841, about 125 miles away - but maybe it was mostly a nominal post.
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Nicola'S
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1 Jan 2022 23:55 |
Thank you so much.
I think that his occupation in the 1851 must be a first, or very nearly. Wonderful, isn't it.
Does this bring us any closer to his occupation in 1841?
Off to bed but best wishes for 2022 to you.
:-D
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greyghost
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1 Jan 2022 23:47 |
Found via Find My Past
Here's Ancestry's version - (I just put in Smith 1772 Leamington Warwickshire once I knew what to look for)
They have Eleanor Davis as aged 70!!
NAME: Jerewal Smith AGE: 79 ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: 1772 RELATION: Head SPOUSE'S NAME: Felscia Smith GENDER: Male WHERE BORN: Brewood, Staffordshire, England CIVIL PARISH: Leamington Priors COUNTY/ISLAND: Warwickshire COUNTRY: England REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Warwick SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Budbrooke ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 01o NEIGHBORS: View others on page HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 15 PIECE: 2072 FOLIO: 550 PAGE NUMBER: 6 HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS: Name Age Jerewal Smith 79 Ellanor Davis 70 Felscia Smith 69 John Boddington 59 Catherine Janes 35 Rebecca Smith 28 Joseph Auslin 25 Thomas Manning 23 Ellen Stanton 16
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Nicola'S
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1 Jan 2022 23:30 |
You're wonderful to have found him! I've searched and searched. Which site did you find this on?
He resigned the High Mastership of Manchester School [Cheetham's] in 1837 after more than 30 years. Until he died on St. Thomas' Day, 1854, he lived partly in Leamington and also "his native place of Brewood, Staffordshire where he is buried".
This very helpful entry follows one of my ancestors' entries in the Register who was a Scholar there like many of the family.
Do you think that the 1841 could be 'Ind. Clk' for Independent Clerk????
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greyghost
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1 Jan 2022 23:18 |
This looks like him - Felicia is an unusual name
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Clarendon Square, Leamington, Warwick, Warwickshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Jeremiah Smith Head Married Male 79 1772 Clerk in holy orders and housing care of sends Brewood, Staffordshire, England Felicia Smith Wife Married Female 67 1784 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Rebecca Smith Daughter Unmarried Female 38 1813 - Worcestershire, England John Beddington Companies Married Male 59 1792 Companies Calverton, Buckinghamshire Thomas Manning Servant Married Male 23 1828 General servant Cambridgeshire, England Joseph Austin Servant Unmarried Male 25 1826 Coachman Leek Wootton, Warwickshire, Eleanor Davis Servant Unmarried Female 20 1831 Cook Monmouthshire, Wales Catherine Jones Servant Unmarried Female 35 1816 Housemaid Llanfachraeth, Monmouthshire, Wales Ellen Stanton Servant Unmarried Female 16 1835 Housemaid Brewood, Staffordshire, England
From original - his occupation is Clerk in Holy Orders and having Care of Souls !!!!
Doesn't help with what the 1841 has as his occupation.
and John Beddington is a Companion
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Nicola'S
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1 Jan 2022 23:12 |
I have found his death and burial:
Event Type Burial Name Jeremiah Smith Age 83 Death or Burial Date 28 Dec 1854 Death or Burial Place Brewood, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom Death or Burial Place (Original) SS Mary & Chad, Brewood, SS Mary & Chad, Staffordshire, England Death Date 1854 Birth Date 1771
I have been unable to find him in the 1851 census. From official records, he could be either in Brewood [see above] or in Leamington.
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Nicola'S
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1 Jan 2022 22:52 |
Jeremiah Smith aged 65 in the 1841 census recorded living in Brewood, Staffordshire.
I cannot work out his occupation and would be very grateful for some expert help on this, please.
Thank you. :-)
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