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9 Nov 2021 14:14 |
The record Kay posted for Annie and Edward - August, not May:
Annie Wilkins in the UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Name: Annie Wilkins Arrival Age: 28 Birth Date: abt 1904 Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia Arrival Date: 12 Aug 1932 Port of Arrival: London, England Ports of Voyage: Sydney; Melbourne; Adelaide; Fremantle; Colombo; Bombay; Port Said; Marseilles; Gibraltar; Plymouth, Devon, England Ship Name: Mooltan Shipping Line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd Official Number: 145435
I suspect Edward was born in Gibraltar.
I don't see any other record of him. He may be one of the closed records in 1939.
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9 Nov 2021 13:56 |
Douglas Anthony Wilkins in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Douglas Anthony Wilkins Death Age: 45 Birth Date: 21 Apr 1936 Registration Date: Jul 1981[Aug 1981] [Sep 1981] Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Plymouth Inferred County: Devon Volume: 21 Page: 1567
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9 Nov 2021 13:45 |
Hello. I am overwhelmed at the sheer amount of information you all have discovered. It is truly astonishing! How are you doing it? You are either experts or magic folk or both!
I have one million questions but these particular ones are foremost in my mind at this moment:
There was mention of a son of Annie and Frank Wilkins in a post by Kay: Edward Wilkins born during the 1st quarter of 1932. I have never heard of him. He would have been the Ist child of their union I imagine, as they were married in 1931. Two sons followed, Douglas in 1936 and Ronald (my father) in1939. That just leaves John...
Is there any mention of a John Wilkins being born to Annie and Frank Wilkins? I remember meeting an Uncle John only once in 1979, with his wife Auntie Sheila; they inscribed a large children's animal encyclopedia which I still have. I think they emigrated to Australia, which may be true as Dolly (John's aunt, Annie Wilkins' sister) may have gone there with her husband, Alberto, as mentioned in a post by AG.
Perhaps though, John is the missing Edward, and his second name was John which he preferred to use?
My father, Ronald Eric Wilkins died in May 2015. You have told me that his half-sister (Violet) Lily Goss née Gater, died in October 2018. I believe that Uncle Doug(las) Wilkins died in the 70s or 80s; I remember him a little, he stayed with us when I was perhaps 5 years old. I think that he was in the Merchant Navy or like my father, in the RFA. I do not think that he was married but if he was, it was before he came to live with us for a while.
I was so excited to see that the Gibraltar connection was true and that my great grandmother and great-great grandmother on Annie's side were Maria Hernandez and Ana Hernandez respectively. ¡Ay caramba!
You cannot know how exciting this all is, I kept waking up during the night thinking about it! My parents divorced when I was very young, and I knew hardly anything regarding my father's family, so this is so AMAZING to me, you have no idea how much!
Thank you, sincerely. :-)
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9 Nov 2021 11:30 |
First name(s) Frank Sidney
Last name Wilkins Death date 30 Mar 1959 Death year 1959 Registry Bodmin County Devon Country England Probate year 1959 Probate date 20 May 1959 Residence town Plymouth
Frank of 77 Abbotsbury Way Ham Estate Plymouth died 30 March 1959 ADMINISTRATION Bodmin to Annie Wilkins widow Effects £660 13s 6d.
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9 Nov 2021 09:00 |
Lily's death:
GOSS, VIOLET LILY 1926 GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2018 in PLYMOUTH (416-1A) Entry Number 518037436
Date 12 Oct 2018, per the tree.
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9 Nov 2021 08:53 |
Info from the marriage cert - per the tree:
Marriage 19 Aug 1931 • Registar's Office, Gibraltar
Frank Sydney WILKINS age 32 bachelor Private R.A.S.C of Town Range Barracks, Gibraltar F: Edward Albert WILKINS (deceased) soldier
Annie GATER formerly DAVIS Gibraltarian of 10 Armstrong Buildings 27 divorced, cook F: Alfred DAVIS Dockyard Constable.
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9 Nov 2021 08:45 |
The tree on Ancestry is "William Johnston Family Tree" - owner is Emma6110.
Frank's military history, from the tree , as already mentioned:
Military 13 Apr 1918 Private Frank WILKINS no 205187 captured by the German Army at Eglise and taken as a POW [Note of interest - The 16th Kings Royal Rifle Corps was fighting the German Army at Neuve Eglise on the 13th & 14th April. It was a German victory)
Military 28 Jun 1918 Private F S WILKINS 205187 Kings Royal Rifle Corps listed as missing. Next of kin address Secunderabad, India.
Military 7 Oct 1918 Private Frank WILKINS No 205187 of the 16th Kings Royal Rifles captured 13 Apr 1918 K Eglise (probably near Ypres, Belgium). Unwounded. Born London 8.1.99 Next of kin Mr GOODHALL 118 Hoppers Rd, Winchmore Hill, London .
Military 7 Jan 1919 Private F S WILKINS 205187 Kings Royal Rifle Corps . POW released from Germany & arrived in England
Military 1923 • Europe
Military 2 Aug 1924 Frank Sydney WILKINS S/8093 private Royal Army Service Corps dob 01/08/1900 awarded the Iraq Clasp for services in the region
Military Dec 1927 A member of his family says that Frank was serving in the army and was at Port Sudan, on the Red Sea in Dec 1927.
1936 Frank Sydney WILKINS awarded Long Service & Good Conduct Medal. Dob 01/08/1900. Served with Royal Army Service Corps S/8093, Kings Royal Rifle Corps A/205817 & Army Service Corps ES/50462
Military 12 May 1937 Private F S WILKINS S. 8092 awarded King George V1 1937 Coronation Medal
These records are offered as proof, but much is "family information":
Frank S Wilkins in the UK, British Army World War I Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 Name: Frank S Wilkins Military Date: 1914-1920 Military Place: England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, United Kingdom Regiment or Corps: King's Royal Rifle Corps, Army Service Corps, Army Service Corps, Army Service Corps Regimental Number: A/205187, Es/50462, S/8093, S/8093
Frank Sydney Wilkins in the UK, World War I Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920 Name: Frank Sydney Wilkins Military Year: 1914-1920 Rank: Acting Staff Sergeant Company: WO 329 Regiment or Corps: Royal Army Service Corps Regiment Number: ES/50462 Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal
Frank Sydney Wilkins in the UK, Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949 Name: Frank Sydney Wilkins Service Date: 1793-1815 [Mistake by Ancestry ] Service Place: Europe Campaign or Service: Napoleonic Wars [ Mistake by Ancestry ] Regiment or Unit Name: Royal Army Service Corps Regimental Number: S/8093
That third record is dated 1924. The mention of Napoleonic Wars isn't on the image , of course - it's the screen title given by Ancestry for the image, but is wrong.
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9 Nov 2021 06:43 |
Frank Sydney Wilkins S/8093 Private 1924 Royal Army Service Corps
Royal Army Service Corps. The Royal Army Service Corps (RASC) was the unit responsible for keeping the British Army supplied with provisions. The exceptions were weaponry and ammunition, which were supplied by the Royal Army Ordnance Corps. View this object. Army Service Corps …
I dont know if this is the same Frank,
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8 Nov 2021 23:54 |
Incoming passengers, 1928,18th September. Dis-embarked London..
Mrs Annie Gater aged 24,,alone.housewife.dep--Gibralter,--- going to,
Lauriston 38 Wendover Road,Aylesbury, intended to live -England.
Name Annie Davis Sex Female Spouse's Name Gater Possible Spouse's Name Harry Gater Marriage Date 1922 Marriage Place Gibraltar, Gibraltar Marriage Place (Original) GIBRALTAR, GIBRALTAR Source Collection Title GRO Index Army Marriages (1881 to 1955) Line Number 55 Page 19 Reference ARM2 Affiliate Publication Title British nationals armed forces marriages 1796-2005
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8 Nov 2021 23:29 |
The tree mentions that Annie and Henry Gater had (as well as Violet Lily - 1/4/1926 Gibraltar) a daughter Dolly Annie - 13 Jan 1923 Gibraltar.
So this is Annie and Dolly:
Mrs A Gater in the UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Name: Mrs A Gater Gender: Female Departure Age: 21 Birth Date: abt 1904 Departure Date: 25 Jul 1925 Departure Port: England Ship Name: Orsova Shipping Line: Orient Line Destination Port: Gibraltar Master: Captain C G Matheson
Travelling with Miss D A Gater, age 2. Last UK address: 26 Lower Street, Burslem, Staffs.
They had arrived in the UK earlier that year . The tree says:
"Arrival 9 Apr 1925 • London, England Travel: Mrs A GATER 21 & daughter age 2 Gibraltar to London. UK address 17 Pitt St, Burslem, Stoke on Trent [Note: this is the home of Annie's husband Harry GATER's family]"
UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Name Mrs A Gater Arrival Age 21 Birth Date 1904 Port of Departure Brisbane, Australia Arrival Date 9 Apr 1925 Port of Arrival London, England Ports of Voyage Melbourne; Sydney; Adelaide; Colombo; Port Said; Naples; Toulon; Fremantle; Plymouth, Devon, England Ship Name Ormonde Shipping Line Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd Official Number 141866
Dolly came back to England in 1940:
"Departure 29 Jul 1940 • Gibraltar Evacuation from Gibraltar to UK on The Belgravian All residents of 62 Flat Bastion Rd, Gibraltar GATER Dolly 17, DAVIS Alfred 66 &DAVIS Maria 53 [Dolly's grandparents], FLEETHAM Walter 16 HERNANDEZ Ana 88 [Dolly's great grandmother] & PAYNE Ada "
Married Alberto M Beiso, in 1942, Kensington.
The tree says they later went to Brisbane, but doesn't offer proof of that, and no date of death for Dolly or Alberto.
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8 Nov 2021 23:21 |
First name(s) Harry Last name Gater Marriage year 1922 MarriageFinder™ Harry Gater married one of these people Annie Davis Marriage place Gibraltar Records year range 1922
Archive reference ARM2 Page 19 Line number 40
Archive General Register Office Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Banns And Marriages Place type Place Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Country Gibraltar Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce Type Armed Forces Collections from Great Britain, UK None Source Gro Index Army Marriages (1881 To 1955)
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8 Nov 2021 23:09 |
A tree on Ancestry , apparently well backed up by documentary evidence, says he was Franklin Sydney Wilkins, born 8 Jan 1900, in Penang Straits Settlement, Malaysia.
Father: Alfred Edward Wilkins, born 19 Oct 1858, Alverstoke, Hants. In 1880 Alfred went to India with the army, and married Mary Grace Hogan in 1884, in Cananore, Madras.
One son, Charles Hogan Wilkins, born in India.
1886 the family moved to Malaya when Alfred joined the Colonial Police. All their other children were born there.
Margaret/Margery 1887; Hope Beatrice 1889; Frederick Edward 1893; Marguerite Enid 1896; William George 1897; Franklin Sydney 1900; Ernest 1903.
Alfred died in Shanghai, date unknown. "Alfred was sent to Shanghai on an investigation with the Colonial Police and never returned. "
His wife Mary Grace Hogan was born 1860 in Bangalore. Died 1903 Malaya - at or near the birth of Ernest.
The tree goes back another 2 or 3 generations for both Alfred and Mary.
Annie Gater (nee Davis) was born in Gibraltar 22 /3 /1904. Parents: Alfred Davis and Maria Hernandez. No further details about her parents.
Siblings all born in Gibraltar: Rose 1905, Mary 1906; John 1909, William 1910;
Lots of military info re Franklin, from his army record and "family information".
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8 Nov 2021 23:06 |
More info from that newspaper report - Harry Gater of 17 Pitt Street, Burslem, Staffs summoned before Police court Re Maintenance for wife and 2 children, provisional order made in Gibraltar Evidence read which wife made in Gib. she stated born in Gib. 22. March 1904 and was married to defendant at King's Chapel, Gib. 4 sept. 1922. Defendant at time a Private sit Battalion North Staffs. Regiment. Lived Gib. for 1 month after marriage then he was sent to Constantinople and then India for c 3 years. Defendant sent to England January 1925 First child born while he was in India and she in Domestic service in Gib. Joined him in England May 1925. Said happy whilst apart, wrote and she asked to join him in England. He said unemployed but as soon as had job, saved money, would send for her. Heard nothing so came to England and he met her at Tilbury Docks but attitude changed. Seems she returned to Gibraltar with ill child, he didn't want to go. Magistrates confirmed the order for payment.
There's more but no relevant details
Will download article and send by PM - watch your personal email in box
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8 Nov 2021 23:00 |
Incoming passenger list,
1932,12 May.
Wilkins Annie , aged 28, HD...(house duties)? Wilkins Edward -infant 3 mths..
Departed from--- Gibralter.----dis-embarked Plymouth.
intended to----22 Garden Street,Morice Town,Devonport.
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8 Nov 2021 22:42 |
When Annie Gater went to Gibraltar in 1929 (mentioned earlier by ErikaH), her last UK address was Whiteleaf, Princes Risborough, Bucks.
She had previously arrived in Britain in 1928, heading for Lauriston, 38 Wendover Road, Aylesbury, Bucks. She's listed as "housewife", and her "country of last permanent residence" was Gibraltar. She's travelling alone, 2nd class.
Mrs Annie Gater in the UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Name: Mrs Annie Gater Arrival Age: 24 Birth Date: abt 1904 Port of Departure: Yokohama, Japan [ Annie joined the ship in Gibraltar ] Arrival Date: 18 Sep 1928 Port of Arrival: London, England Ports of Voyage: Marseilles; Gibraltar; Singapore; Hong Kong Ship Name: Atsuta Maru Shipping Line: Nippon Yusen Kaisha Official Number: 11597
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8 Nov 2021 22:38 |
The additional notes on1939 are for LILY - not for Annie
The DoB on Annie’s death record matches 1939
The 1931 marriage cert is ESSENTIAL if you want to progress accurately with BOTH Frank and Annie
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8 Nov 2021 22:33 |
AG,
The birthplace will show if it was known in 1994 when Annie Wilkins died.,,,,,,,
Dawn all info found is only whats there and only proof it determin if its 100% correct.and 100% proof can only be got by often by buying it .such as Certificates.
The Franks marriage in 1931 the certificate can be bought via the GRO site.
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8 Nov 2021 22:17 |
If the DOB for Annie, as shown on her death record, is accurate - and remember, info on a death cert is only as good as what the informant believes to be true -
there are five possible births:
DAVIS, ANNIE mmn PITCHFORD GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in SOUTHWELL Volume 07B Page 493
DAVIS, ANNIE mmn LILLEY GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 275
DAVIS, ANNIE mmn LISSUS GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 243
DAVIS, ANNIE mmn CLARKE GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 326
DAVIS, ANNIE mmn THOMPSON GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 1105
This is also assuming that she was born in England/Wales.
If she had a Spanish (presumably Gibraltar accent) then perhaps she was born in Gibraltar.
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8 Nov 2021 22:09 |
Various points from your post above [EDIT: but you've now said to ignore it! ]:
As Erika said, there is NO Anna Boyle on the 1939 register with Lily - that's a mistranscription.
The image shows Annie Wilkins, DOB 22/3/1904, . [ EDIT / Correction: re Lily] - Then Lily Wilkins - 1 Jan 1926. - with an amendment made in 1960 after her marriage, to add the names Violet and Goss Then (on Ancestry) there are two closed records, who are either people who are still living, or whose deaths haven't been picked up by the Register. However, Erika has shown that FMP's version of the 1939 entry has Lily's name not closed - FMP are often a little more up to date than Ancestry with the 1939 Register. Then there's Douglas A Wilkins, 21/4/1936, followed by another closed record.
Re Franks' possible death in 1959 -
yes, there's a gap in death records on the GRO site, from 1957 to 1984 - but you can find the intervening deaths on FreeBMD: https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Annie's death cert would not show her birthplace.
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8 Nov 2021 22:01 |
Holy cr*p! I have just seen all the latest posts!
There is so much to take in.....it's a soap opera!
Ignore my previous post, there is so much new information to take in...and it's very late here, work in the morning, so I'll need to stop by tomorrow evening.
I knew nothing about all this! At least the Gibraltar link was true, I remember her as having a foreign accent but I was very young though, so perhaps I am mistaken. I do remember her chopping herbs in the kitchen when she stayed with us...fabulous to learn that she was a cook! And I also remember that she had a little effigy of the Virgin Mary in her room which contained holy water.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!
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