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Thank you for all of your help. I think I will wait until his original birth certificate to arrive.

Sorry, I don't know.

You can email GRO and ask them:

If you would like to ask us a question, or want to know more about one of our services before you order a certificate you can email us directly at [email protected]
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/contact_us.asp

Or just wait for the cert to arrive!

Ok thank you. Will that show on the one that I have sent for as well as Ralph was not adopted until he was a bou 5 years old?

It's the birth cert which would have the note in the right-hand column - not the adoption cert (if any exists).

Thank you. I will find out if my daughter in law has the adoption certificate to check. Thank you for your help.

If there was a formal adoption, the birth certificate should note this in the column on the far right.

Thank you again for your help.

Louisa and Raymond in 1939 (Ancestry transcription - which I've now corrected).

Two closed records with them - but they apparently didn't have children together:

Lewisa Nuth
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Lewisa Nuth
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 9 Nov 1901
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 80 Long Street
Residence Place: Easingwold, Yorkshire (North Riding), England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 9
Schedule Number: 197
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: JHDN
Borough: Easingwold
Registration district: 529-2
Inferred Spouse:
Raynord Nuth
Household Members Age
Raynord Nuth 33
Lewisa Nuth 38
[and two closed records ]

Thank you Shirley for replying to my post about Ralph. I will ask my daughter in law if she knows if he did possess a birth certificate of any kind. I have sent for his original birth certificate for her. Thank you for your help.

His mother married in 1932

Louisa Nicholson
Registration Date: Oct 1932
[Nov 1932]
[Dec 1932]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Easingwold
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Spouse: Raymond North
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 935

As his name wasn’t changed it could have more an informal arrangement within the family especially as young Ralph was 3 years old when his uncle married

Did he ever have a birth certificate in his possession ?

:-)

Thank you for all your information.

She could apply for the adoption cert on the GRO website -

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/app_select.asp

It's free to register, then there's a fee for the cert -

but she would have to know the year of adoption (+/- 1).

If money were no object, she could make more than one application, with different three-year spans of possible year of adoption.

If it turns out that there's no adoption cert, then it must have been an informal family arrangement as I suggested earlier.

Thank you ArgyllGran for all your really interesting information. Would you know if his daughter could apply for his adoption papers as her father has passed away. ? I have sent for his birth certificate as she has never seen it.

The closed record below may be young Ralph.
Ralph senior and Cicely (nee Philipson) had only one child before 1939 - Bruce.:

Ralph W Nicholson
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Ralph W Nicholson
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 4 Jul 1902
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 17a
Residence Place: Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Occupation: Berter Attendant (Heavy Worker)
Line Number: 32
Schedule Number: 100
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: DEXA
Borough: Watford
Registration district: 140-1 140.2
Inferred Spouse:
Cecily Nicholson
Inferred Children:
Bruce Nicholson
Household Members Age
Ralph W Nicholson 37
Cecily Nicholson 33
This record is officially closed.
Bruce Nicholson 5
Stanley Philipson 26


Ralph W Nicholson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Ralph W Nicholson
Registration Date: Oct 1930[Nov 1930] [Dec 1930]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Watford
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Spouse: Cicely Philipson
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 2160

If the adoption was a formal one, then as well as his original birth cert he would have an adoption cert, which is not available to us online.

However, as the adoption was within the family, and didn't involve a change of name, it may only have been an informal arrangement.

There was no adoption legislation in England or Wales until 1926.

Thank you so much for all of the information it is very interesting. My daughter in law will be over the moon to know all this. Thank you again. You are amazing how you found out so much about him.

from aq tree on ancestry

mother
louisa

Birth
9 Nov 1900 • Newburn, Northumberland, England

19011
Residence
1901 • Throckley, Northumberland, England

Relation to Head of House: Daughter

19021
Birth of brother Ralph William Nicholson(1902–1962)
4 Jul 1902 • Newburn, Northumberland, England

19066
Birth of sister Rose Nicholson (Derrick)(1906–1987)
15 Dec 1906 • Newburn, Northumberland, England

19066
Birth of sister Rose Nicholson (Derrick)(1906–1987)
15 Dec 1906 • Mickley Square, Northumberland, England

19076
Birth of brother Robert Nicholson(1907–)
April 1907 • Newburn, Northumberland, England

19109
Birth of sister Esther Nicholson(1910–)
1910 • Newburn, Northumberland, England

192726
Birth of son Ralph William Nicholson(1927–)
6 Mar 1927 • Newcastle, Staffordshire, England

193231
Marriage
Oct 1932 • Easingwold, Yorkshire North Riding, United Kingdom
Raymond (Ray) North

(1903–1958)

194443
Death of mother Rose Robson(1868–1944)
Jan 1944 • Northumberland West, Northumberland, England

195857
Death of husband Raymond (Ray) North(1903–1958)
13 Jan 1958 • Yorkshire, York, England

196261
Death of brother Ralph William Nicholson(1902–1962)
23 April 1962 • QLD, Australia

197776
Death
Apr 1977 • York North Yorkshire England

adopted father ralph

Birth
4 Jul 1902 • Newburn, Northumberland, England

19064
Birth of sister Rose Nicholson (Derrick)(1906–1987)
15 Dec 1906 • Newburn, Northumberland, England

19064
Birth of sister Rose Nicholson (Derrick)(1906–1987)
15 Dec 1906 • Mickley Square, Northumberland, England

19074
Birth of brother Robert Nicholson(1907–)
April 1907 • Newburn, Northumberland, England

19107
Birth of sister Esther Nicholson(1910–)
1910 • Newburn, Northumberland, England

19119
Residence
1911 • Throckley, Northumberland, England

Relation to Head: Son

192724
Birth of son Ralph William Nicholson(1927–)
6 Mar 1927 • Newcastle, Staffordshire, England

193028
Marriage
Oct 1930 • Watford, Hertfordshire, United Kingdom
Cicely Philipson

(1906–)

193431
Birth of son Bruce Nicholson(1934–1947)
31 May 1934 • Watford, Hertfordshire

193937
Residence
1939 • Hertfordshire, England

Marital Status: Married

194441
Death of mother Rose Robson(1868–1944)
Jan 1944 • Northumberland West, Northumberland, England

194744
Death of son Bruce Nicholson(1934–1947)
Jan 1947 • Watford, Hertfordshire, England

195452
Residence
1954 • St Andrews Cottage, Braun st, Deagon, Queensland, Australia

195452
Residence
1954 • Sandgate, Lilley, Queensland, Australia

195856
Residence
1958 • 123 Braun st, Deagon, Queensland, Australia

196259
Death
23 April 1962 • QLD, Australia
Employment

Moved to Brisbane, Australia ( Pom for a pound ) helped build the great dam ( he was later killed while working on the dam with a pick axe in the stomach) Apparently they adopted an aboriginal girl.

Could anyone help with any information about Ralph William Nicholson born 1927. I am asking for my daughter in law. Ralph was her father The information she has is that his birth mother was Louisa Nicholson. He was adopted when young by an Uncle Ralph W. Nicholson, do not know date. I have looked up his birth and I find that he was born in Castle Ward Northumbria, his mother is listed as Nicholson. I have sent for his birth certificate as my daughter in law said he must have had a new one when he was adopted as she has never seen the one issued at birth. Would be very grateful for any information. Thank you.