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Yes I did see that one ArgyllGran, thank you, this is all seeming a bit difficult to piece together. Cant seem to fit the name Thomas Engstrom in either. He was the man who Mary supposedly married after John Henry Duckett, couldn't find that marriage.

According to a tree on Ancestry (and the 1920 census) , the daughter Hildegard emigrated in 1902 - but I can't see a travel record:

Hilda Marks
in the 1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Hilda Marks [Kioda Marks]
Age: 39
Birth Year: abt 1881
Birthplace: New Zealand
Home in 1920: Minneapolis Ward 12, Hennepin, Minnesota
Street: 38th Avenue South
Residence Date: 1920
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1902
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Joseph Marks
Father's Birthplace: New Zealand
Mother's Birthplace: New Zealand
Able to Speak English: Yes
Naturalization Status: Naturalized
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors:
Household Members Age Relationship
Joseph Marks 39 Head
Hilda Marks 39 Wife
Joseph Marks 13 Son
Chester R Marks 11 Son
Douglas G Marks 6 Son
Jessie M Marks 5 Daughter
Thomas F Marks 2 Son
Lenard T Marks 0 Son


Hildegarde Marks
in the Minnesota, U.S., Death Index, 1908-2017
Name: Hildegarde Marks
Death Age: 88
Record Type: Death
Birth Date: 22 Mar 1886
Death Date: 8 Jul 1974
Death Place: Hennepin
Death Registration Date: 1974
Mother's Maiden Name: Williams
Certificate Number: 018862
Record Number: 1917947

Was trying to find a John hart Williams with the family but nothing shows

Parents still in uk in 1871

Edward Williams
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: 1816
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Crowan, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: Crowan
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: Helston
Sub-registration district: Crowan
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 26
Piece: 2310
Folio: 19
Page number: 8
Household Members Age Relationship
Edward Williams 55 Head
Hannah Williams
48 Wife
Martha Williams
15 Daughter
Edward Williams
6 Son

Got to leave the computer for an hour, what a muddle, still cant work out where or even if Thomas Engstrom fits in, the man she apparently married in Seattle, and by whom she had 2 children, Mary and Thomas.

And 1861 census
Mary Hannah Williams
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: 1851
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward Williams
Mother's Name: Hannah Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Crowan
Civil Parish: Crowan
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Helston
Sub-registration District: Crowan
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 60
Piece: 1575
Folio: 80
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Williams 45
Hannah Williams 37
Mary Hannah Williams 10
Ann Williams 9
Elizabeth Williams 8
Martha Williams 5
Grace Williams 4

Incidentally mary was born 1850

Mary Hannah Williams
Age: 7 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward Williams
Mother's Name: Hannah Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Crowan, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Crowan
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Helston
Sub-registration District: St Keverne
ED, institution, or vessel: 1g
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 27
Piece: 1913
Folio: 514
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Williams 34
Hannah Williams 23
Mary Hannah Williams 7 Mo
Hannah Williams 80

Thank you Shirley, I did see the name John hart Williams during my research. He must be Mary's brother.

And
Sarah Aged 18 and Thomas aged 13

me: Sarah Duckett
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Birth Date: abt 1884
Departure Place: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 11 Jul 1902
Arrival Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Last Residence: Dunedin
Friend: John Hart Williams
Ship: Commonwealth

Place of birth New Zealand

Passage paid by uncle

Going to relation John hart Williams

I saw that one as well Shirley, just wasn't sure it was the same family.

Cant make out where the name Engstrom comes from now, maybe mis information.

Arriving

DetailSource
Name: Wm Jas Duckett
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1880
Departure Place: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 11 Jul 1902
Arrival Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Last Residence: Dureden
Friend: John Hart Williams
Ship: Commonwealth

Place of birth New Zealand

And a son

Wm J Duckett
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age: 33
Birth Date: abt 1881
Birth Place: New Zealand
Marriage Date: 28 Feb 1914
Marriage Place: Pewabic, Houghton, Michigan, USA
Residence Place: Hancock
Father: John Duckett
Mother: Mary A Williams
Spouse: Maud I Maunder
Record Number: 91

Another daughter

Hildaguard Duckette
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Birth Date: abt 1887
Marriage Date: 18 Mar 1905
Marriage Place: Hancock, Houghton, Michigan, USA
Father:
John Duckette
Mother:
Mary A. Duckette
Spouse:
Joseph Marks
Film Number: 001008269



Hildeguard Duckett
Birth Date: Apr-May-Jun 1886
Registration Place: Port Chalmers, New Zealand
Folio Number: 2049


So same area and shows they were still in New Zealand

So it would seem the name Kinsman is relevant.

Thank you Shirley, that looks promising.

Her birth with little details

Sarah Jane Duckett
in the New Zealand, Birth Index, 1840-1950
New Zealand, Birth Index, 1840-1950 No Image
Text-only collection
Name: Sarah Jane Duckett
Birth Date: Jul-Aug-Sep 1884
Registration Place: Port Chalmers, New Zealand
Folio Number: 3273

Was just hoping a fresh pair of eyes would see what I was missing.

This is what Maddie posted

Sarah Jane Kinsman
[Sarah Jane Duckett]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Marital status: Married
Death Age: 31
Birth Date: 31 Aug 1884
Birth Place: New Zeland
Death Date: 24 Oct 1915
Death Place: Hancock, Houghton, Michigan, USA
Father: John H Duckett
Mother: Mary H Williams
File Number: 874


So was their daughter Sarah born 1884 in New Zealand

Thank you Shirley, found both the marriage and the ER, not enough information to be sure.

That's the one I found Shirley, but no middle name for John.

Maddie's post has disappeared.