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Mary Engstrom
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Washington Deaths and Burials, 1810-1960
Birth1855
England
Death11 February 1920
Tacoma, Pierce, Washington
Burial13 February 1920
Washington, United States-(Washing Terrotries)

Father:William Williams
Mother:Hanna Jefries


Informant----Mrs Rose Cross..208 Cliff Road,

The Death Certificate can be seen on FamilySearch.

I am very grateful to everyone for all this information.

Those children kept me awake last night wondering.... I did think they were sent away for some reason.

And now the name Hart has cropped up, as in John hart Williams (maybe) Shirley's post yesterday 12.04

Marriage of William and Anna? Could Hait be Hart?

Marriages Jun 1848 (>99%)
Barratt Elizabeth Truro 9 353
Drew Robert Truro 9 353
Dunstan Mary Ann Truro 9 353
Glanville Emma Truro 9 353
>>JEFFERY Hannah Hait Truro 9 353
Langdon William Truro 9 353
WHITFORD Mark Truro 9 353
Whitforel Mark Truro 9 353
>>WILLIAMS William Truro 9 353

On page 1 Shirley posted 1851 census for a presumably different Mary Hannah Williams, born 1850 in Crowan, Cornwall.

These census records will be (well, maybe - I see Alviegal has added a different 1861 census! )for the child whose birth Alviegal posted above.

Mary H Williams
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Mary H Williams
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: 1854
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Truro, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Falmouth
Town: Falmouth
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Falmouth
Sub-registration District: Falmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 57
Piece: 1565
Folio: 85
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
William Williams 59
Bathsheba Williams 64
Mary H Williams 7



Mary Williams
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Mary Williams
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: 1854
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Truro, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: Newlyn
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: St Columb
Sub-registration district: Newlyn
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 18
Piece: 2257
Folio: 38
Page number: 5
Household Members Age Relationship
William Rickeard 54 Head
Gertrude I Rickeard 50 Wife
Elizabeth A Cook 20 Servant
Mary Williams 17 Servant

There were far too many Mary Williamses in Cornwall!

So this would be her birth.



First name(s) Mary Hannah
Last name Williams

Birth quarter 1
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Birth year 1853
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's maiden name Jeffery
Subcategory Civil Births
District Truro
County Cornwall
Volume 5C
Page 202


and I think this is her family.

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Kenwyn, Truro, Cornwall, England

Household members (9 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Williams Head
Married Male 30 1831 Copper miner Kea, Cornwall, England
Anna Williams Wife
Married Female 30 1831 - Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
Sarah Ann Williams Daughter
- Female 12 1849 - Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
Elizabeth Jane Williams Daughter
- Female 10 1851 - Kea, Cornwall, England
Mary Anna Williams Daughter
- Female 8 1853 - Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
Susan Williams Daughter
- Female 6 1855 - Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
William Williams Son
- Male 4 1857 - Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
Richard Williams Son
- Male 2 1859 - Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
Kate Williams Daughter
- Female 1 1860 - Kenwyn, Cornwall, England


WILLIAMS, ELIZABETH JANE JEFFERY
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in TRURO UNION Volume 09 Page 376


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Wheal Busy Mine, Kenwyn, Truro, Cornwall, England

Household members (13 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Williams Head
- Male 40 1831 - Cornwall, England
Anna Williams Wife
- Female 43 1828 - Cornwall, England
Elizabeth Jane Williams Daughter
- Female 20 1851 - Cornwall, England
Mary Anna Williams Daughter
- Female 18 1853 - Cornwall, England
Susan Williams Daughter
- Female 16 1855 - Cornwall, England
William Williams Son
- Male 14 1857 - Cornwall, England
Richard Williams Son
- Male 13 1858 - Cornwall, England
Kate Williams Daughter
- Female 11 1860 - Cornwall, England
>>John Williams Son
- Male 9 1862 - Cornwall, England
Frederick Williams Son
- Male 7 1864 - Cornwall, England
Harry Williams Son
- Male 5 1866 - Cornwall, England
Sarah Ann Williams Daughter
- Female 4 1867 - Cornwall, England
- Williams Daughter
- Female 0 1871 - Cornwall, England


WILLIAMS, JOHN JEFFREY
GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in TRURO Volume 05C Page 190

EDIT:

NO, in light of later posts, this girl isn't Rose Cross.

____________________
Re Rose Cross - who I think is a red herring (but I suppose it's not impossible that she was born before Mary's marriage to John in 1875) -

???

Rose Ann Williams
in the New Zealand, Birth Index, 1840-1950
Name: Rose Ann Williams
Birth Date: Jan-Feb-Mar 1875
Registration Place: Dunedin, New Zealand
Folio Number: 392


Rose Hannah Williams
in the Australia and New Zealand, Find a Grave Index, 1800s-Current
Name: Rose Hannah Williams
Birth Date: 1875
Death Date: 11 Jul 1890
Cemetery: Southern Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Dunedin, Dunedin City, Otago, New Zealand



Rose Hannah Williams
in the New Zealand, Cemetery Records, 1800-2007
Name: Rose Hannah Williams
Death Age: 15
Birth Date: abt 1875
Death Date: 11 Jul 1890
Burial Date: 13 Jul 1890
Cemetery: Southern
Burial Place: Otago

Resident of Caversham. Born Otago.
She's not buried with any other Williamses.

A tree on ancestry has this for Mary Hannah.


Parents

William Williams
Mary Hart Jeffery

Spouse & Children

John D Duckett

1840–
Julia Mary Duckett

1876–
Hannah(Anna) Duckett

1877–
Rebecca (Ruth) Duckett

1878–
William James Duckett

1880–
John Henry Duckett

1883–
Sarah Jane Duckett

1884–
Hildeguard Duckett

1886–
Emmanuel Thomas Duckett

1888–

Another has this as her death but no proof of it.

Death of mother Mary Hannah Williams(1850–1916)
Feb 1916 • New Zealand

Some trees on Ancestry ( I haven't checked all 33 trees) don't list Julia, but do list a Ruth Ducket - with no DOB or proof.

Also a half sister Rosemary Cross - married surname (supposedly born 1875 NZ), whose parents are said to be Gus ENGSTROM and Mary Hannah Williams.

This is offered as "proof":

Rose Cross
in the 1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Rose Cross [Rose Engstrom]
Age: 45
Birth Year: abt 1875
Birthplace: New Zealand
Home in 1920: Tacoma Ward 2, Pierce, Washington
Street: Cliff Avenue
Residence Date: 1920
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1913
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Joseph Cross
Father's Birthplace: Sweden
Mother's Name: Mary Engstrom
Mother's Birthplace: England
Native Tongue: English
Able to Speak English: Yes
Naturalization Status: Alien
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors:
Household Members Age Relationship
Joseph Cross 47 Head - Wales
Rose Cross 45 Wife
William J Cross 18 Son - New Zealand
Mary Engstrom 64 Mother-in-law , widow, England

the Cross family arrived in the USA in 1913.
The year of Mary Engstrom's immigration is unclear - 1900? 1920?

Mary couldn't read or write. Both her parents born in England.

Possible children. Parents' names are at the end.

1876/13978 Duckett Julia Mary Ann John

1877/3242 Duckett Hannah Mary Hannah John

1883/553 Duckett John Henry Mary Hannah John

1884/16181 Duckett Sarah Jane Mary Hannah John

1886/8706 Duckett Hildeguard Mary Hannah John

1888/6126 Duckett Emanuel Thomas Mary Hannah John


Possible death of John Duckett?

1913/9654 Duckett John 78Y

Perhaps the children were sent away in 1902 in hopes of a better life, once they were old enough to work, but their parents remained in NZ.

Just speculation!

North Otago Times. PUBLISHED EVERY MORNING. SATURDAY, JULY 2, 1892.

A few articles on the fact he had his 6 children committed to the Caversham Industrial School in Mar 1891. He was specifically charged with not supporting his child, Hildegard Duckett aged about 6. He said he had no money to support them.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers?items_per_page=10&query=%22john+Duckett%22&snippet=true

If you click onto Title then put the region Otega, you will get local papers.

Thank you for all your help once again, I will make up a little tree on Ancestry for my Cousin's friend so she can view it all herself. xx

That's exactly what I came up with, thank you ArgyllGran for checking it for me, I really appreciate it. xx

There's no record of John and Mary ever going to the USA, let alone John dying there, or Mary remarrying.

I can still find no mention of Mary Duckett marrying a Thomas Engstrom, I think I will give that one up as a red herring.

Strange, anyway, thankyou ArgyllGran.

Shirley posted the travel records for Sarah, Thomas, and William James, arriving in Boston on 11 July 1902 on the "Commonwealth".

Here's Hildegard on the same voyage:

Hildar Duckett
in the Massachusetts, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1963
Name: Hildar Duckett
Gender: Female
Age: 16
Birth Date: abt 1886
Departure Place: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 11 Jul 1902
Arrival Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Last Residence: New York
Friend: Jno Hart Williams
Ship: Commonwealth


Birthplace: New Zealand.
Last residence: Dunedin
Destination: Hancock, Michigan.

Don't know why she's listed separately from the others.
There's a note against her entry to say "See B1-2; A30" which refers to the entries for the others. William James is on page A, line 30, and the other two are the first two entries on the next page.

Right....... so that's where the name Kinsman comes from, thank you ArgyllGran.

Sarah Jane's marriage:

Sarah Duckett
in the Michigan, U.S., Marriage Records, 1867-1952
Name: Sarah Duckett
Gender: Female
Race: White
Age: 18
Birth Date: abt 1885
Birth Place: Dunedin New Zeland
Marriage Date: 22 Jun 1903
Marriage Place: Greenland, Ontonagon, Michigan, USA
Residence Place: Greenland, Michigan
Father: John Henry [ Duckett - on image but not transcribed]
Mother: Mary H Williams
Spouse: Albert Kinsman <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Record Number: 598