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Mary Hannah Williams b.1852 Cornwall

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Deborah

Deborah Report 27 Oct 2021 13:19

We were told that she emigrated to Seattle, Washington 1899-1905

Deborah

Deborah Report 27 Oct 2021 13:17

Thank you alviegal, that's helpful because one of the questions I was asked was when did Mary emigrate to the USA.

alviegal

alviegal Report 27 Oct 2021 13:11

US Census 1920
Pierce, Washington, United States

Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Joseph Cross Self Married Male 47 1873 Wales
Rose Cross Wife Married Female 45 1875 New Zealand
William J Cross Son Single Male 18 1902 New Zealand
Mary Engstrom Mother-in-law Widowed Female 64 1856 England


Mary emigrated in 1900, the others in 1913.

Deborah

Deborah Report 27 Oct 2021 11:54

It all helps, thank you Maddie.

Maddie

Maddie Report 27 Oct 2021 11:46

not very helpful

Name: Rosina Polson
Gender: Female
Marriage Year: 1892
Marriage Place: New Zealand
Relation: Bride (Wife)
Folio Number: 274


fmp says spouse is Thormald
Country New Zealand
Spouse's last name Holan
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Registration year

more info on 1874 birth

Rosina
Certificate ordering To order, visit https://www.bdmonline.dia.govt.nz/NonHistoricRecords
Last name Polson
Country New Zealand
Registration year 1874
Record set New Zealand Birth Index
Mother's first name(s) Mary Anne
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's first name(s) Peter -------------- different to death record
Subcategory Civil Births
Registration number 1874/48443

Deborah

Deborah Report 27 Oct 2021 10:15

Thank you ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Oct 2021 10:10

A piece about the Caversham School in 1883 - long before the Duckett children were there, but fascinating:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP18830821.2.18

The writer makes it sound idyllic!

Deborah

Deborah Report 27 Oct 2021 07:23

Thank you Rose.xx

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 27 Oct 2021 02:45

Bit more, confirming William Williams as a brother in law:

https://tinyurl.com/f5atahjv

Rose

Kay????

Kay???? Report 26 Oct 2021 23:33

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=693068.0

https://www.otago.ac.nz/library/hocken/otago486006.pdf.


about the schools.

Deborah

Deborah Report 26 Oct 2021 20:45

That would make sense then ArgyllGran, what a mess!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Oct 2021 20:31

If all the dates were correct - but they probably aren't - they would mean that Mary left the family behind in 1890 and emigrated to America, leaving John unable to look after the children properly (per the report in 1892), with the result that they were put into the Caversham school, and then sent to their uncle in the US in 1902.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Oct 2021 20:16

???

Rosina Polson
in the New Zealand, Birth Index, 1840-1950
Name: Rosina Polson
Birth Date: Oct-Nov-Dec 1874
Registration Place: Port Chalmers, New Zealand
Folio Number: 1895

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Oct 2021 20:07

So we have a selection of fathers for Rose/Rosemary/Rosina -

John Paulson, Gus Engstrom, or Thomas Engstrom.

Whoever he was, he must have been in NZ, as Rose is said to have been born there.


As Rose was born 1875, her father's relationship with Mary should predate Mary and John Duckett's marriage, also in 1875.

But Mary was calling herself Engstrom in the US.

It looks maybe as if she was with Paulson first, then Duckett, then Engstrom.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 26 Oct 2021 19:16

Rose Cross also .free to view in familysearch.


Name Rose Cross
Event Date 26 Mar 1928
Event Place Tacoma, Pierce, Washington
Gender Female
Age (Formatted) 53 years 7 months 5 days
Birth Date 21 Aug 1874
Marital Status Married
Spouse's Name Joseph Cross
Father's Name John Paulson
Rose Cross's Parents and Siblings
John Paulson
Father
M

Rose Cross's Spouses and Children.

Joseph Cross
Husband
M

further details list---born in NZealand.

no information on father John Paulson only bn Sweden.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 26 Oct 2021 18:56

This is a more informative entry of Marys death..


Event Type Burial
Name Mary Engstrom
Sex Female
Age 65
Residence Place 208 Cliff Ave.
Address 208 Cliff Ave.
Death or Burial Date 13 Feb 1920
Death or Burial Place Washington, United States
Death Date 11 Feb 1920
Death Place Tacoma, Pierce, Washington
Birth Year (Estimated) 1855
Birthplace England
Marital Status Widowed
Occupation Housewife
Race white
Ethnicity American
Father's Name William Williams
Father's Sex Male
Father's Birthplace England
Mother's Name Hanna Jefries
Mother's Sex Female
Mother's Birthplace England
Source Details p 203 cn 209
Cemetery Oakwood Cemetery
Funeral Home X
Mary Engstrom's Parents and Siblings
William Williams
Father
M
England

Hanna Jefries
Mother
F
England

Deborah

Deborah Report 26 Oct 2021 17:24

Thank you Maddie.

Maddie

Maddie Report 26 Oct 2021 17:17

Name: Master William Cross
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 11
Birth Year: abt 1902
Birth Country: New Zealand
Departure Port: Sydney, Australia
Arrival Date: 1 May 1913
Arrival Port: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Vessel: Makura
Search Ship Database: Search for the Makura in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

with mother rosina and father joseph

Name: William John Cross
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Welsh
Age: 11
Record Type: Manifests
Birth Date: abt 1902
Birth Country: New Zealand
Arrival Date: 24 May 1913
Port of Arrival: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Residence Country: Canada
Line Number: 18

father a steveador
going to ms a m judd

Deborah

Deborah Report 26 Oct 2021 16:29

Kay and Maddie, thank you.

Maddie

Maddie Report 26 Oct 2021 16:05

in the 1910 United States Federal Census
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Name: Mary Eugstrom [Mary Engstrom]
Age in 1910: 55
Birth Date: 1855 [1855]
Birthplace: England
Home in 1910: Minneapolis Ward 6, Hennepin, Minnesota, USA
Street: Mill St So
House Number: 214
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1890
Relation to Head of House: Housekeeper
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Native Tongue: English
Occupation: Housekeeper
Employer, Employee or Other: Wage Earner
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Out of Work: N
Number of Weeks Out of Work: 0
Neighbors:
Household Members Age Relationship
Charles F Lundell
46 Head
Anna Lundell
16 Daughter
Minnie Lundell
11 Daughter
William Lundell
13 Son
Ethel Lundell
8 Daughter
Michel Kovig
27 Lodger
P Junnia
38 Lodger
Michel Koshu
44 Lodger
John Jluchah
21 Lodger
John Mstyko
34 Lodger