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So this would be her birth.



First name(s) Mary Hannah
Last name Williams

Birth quarter 1
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Birth year 1853
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's maiden name Jeffery
Subcategory Civil Births
District Truro
County Cornwall
Volume 5C
Page 202


and I think this is her family.

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Kenwyn, Truro, Cornwall, England

Household members (9 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Williams Head
Married Male 30 1831 Copper miner Kea, Cornwall, England
Anna Williams Wife
Married Female 30 1831 - Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
Sarah Ann Williams Daughter
- Female 12 1849 - Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
Elizabeth Jane Williams Daughter
- Female 10 1851 - Kea, Cornwall, England
Mary Anna Williams Daughter
- Female 8 1853 - Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
Susan Williams Daughter
- Female 6 1855 - Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
William Williams Son
- Male 4 1857 - Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
Richard Williams Son
- Male 2 1859 - Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
Kate Williams Daughter
- Female 1 1860 - Kenwyn, Cornwall, England


WILLIAMS, ELIZABETH JANE JEFFERY
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in TRURO UNION Volume 09 Page 376


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Wheal Busy Mine, Kenwyn, Truro, Cornwall, England

Household members (13 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Williams Head
- Male 40 1831 - Cornwall, England
Anna Williams Wife
- Female 43 1828 - Cornwall, England
Elizabeth Jane Williams Daughter
- Female 20 1851 - Cornwall, England
Mary Anna Williams Daughter
- Female 18 1853 - Cornwall, England
Susan Williams Daughter
- Female 16 1855 - Cornwall, England
William Williams Son
- Male 14 1857 - Cornwall, England
Richard Williams Son
- Male 13 1858 - Cornwall, England
Kate Williams Daughter
- Female 11 1860 - Cornwall, England
>>John Williams Son
- Male 9 1862 - Cornwall, England
Frederick Williams Son
- Male 7 1864 - Cornwall, England
Harry Williams Son
- Male 5 1866 - Cornwall, England
Sarah Ann Williams Daughter
- Female 4 1867 - Cornwall, England
- Williams Daughter
- Female 0 1871 - Cornwall, England


WILLIAMS, JOHN JEFFREY
GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in TRURO Volume 05C Page 190

On page 1 Shirley posted 1851 census for a presumably different Mary Hannah Williams, born 1850 in Crowan, Cornwall.

These census records will be (well, maybe - I see Alviegal has added a different 1861 census! )for the child whose birth Alviegal posted above.

Mary H Williams
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Mary H Williams
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: 1854
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Truro, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Falmouth
Town: Falmouth
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Falmouth
Sub-registration District: Falmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 57
Piece: 1565
Folio: 85
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
William Williams 59
Bathsheba Williams 64
Mary H Williams 7



Mary Williams
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Mary Williams
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: 1854
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Truro, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: Newlyn
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: St Columb
Sub-registration district: Newlyn
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 18
Piece: 2257
Folio: 38
Page number: 5
Household Members Age Relationship
William Rickeard 54 Head
Gertrude I Rickeard 50 Wife
Elizabeth A Cook 20 Servant
Mary Williams 17 Servant

There were far too many Mary Williamses in Cornwall!

Marriage of William and Anna? Could Hait be Hart?

Marriages Jun 1848 (>99%)
Barratt Elizabeth Truro 9 353
Drew Robert Truro 9 353
Dunstan Mary Ann Truro 9 353
Glanville Emma Truro 9 353
>>JEFFERY Hannah Hait Truro 9 353
Langdon William Truro 9 353
WHITFORD Mark Truro 9 353
Whitforel Mark Truro 9 353
>>WILLIAMS William Truro 9 353

Those children kept me awake last night wondering.... I did think they were sent away for some reason.

And now the name Hart has cropped up, as in John hart Williams (maybe) Shirley's post yesterday 12.04

I am very grateful to everyone for all this information.

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Name Events and Relationships
Mary Engstrom
Principal
Washington Deaths and Burials, 1810-1960
Birth1855
England
Death11 February 1920
Tacoma, Pierce, Washington
Burial13 February 1920
Washington, United States-(Washing Terrotries)

Father:William Williams
Mother:Hanna Jefries


Informant----Mrs Rose Cross..208 Cliff Road,

The Death Certificate can be seen on FamilySearch.

in the 1910 United States Federal Census
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Name: Mary Eugstrom [Mary Engstrom]
Age in 1910: 55
Birth Date: 1855 [1855]
Birthplace: England
Home in 1910: Minneapolis Ward 6, Hennepin, Minnesota, USA
Street: Mill St So
House Number: 214
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1890
Relation to Head of House: Housekeeper
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Native Tongue: English
Occupation: Housekeeper
Employer, Employee or Other: Wage Earner
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Out of Work: N
Number of Weeks Out of Work: 0
Neighbors:
Household Members Age Relationship
Charles F Lundell
46 Head
Anna Lundell
16 Daughter
Minnie Lundell
11 Daughter
William Lundell
13 Son
Ethel Lundell
8 Daughter
Michel Kovig
27 Lodger
P Junnia
38 Lodger
Michel Koshu
44 Lodger
John Jluchah
21 Lodger
John Mstyko
34 Lodger

Kay and Maddie, thank you.

Name: Master William Cross
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 11
Birth Year: abt 1902
Birth Country: New Zealand
Departure Port: Sydney, Australia
Arrival Date: 1 May 1913
Arrival Port: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Vessel: Makura
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with mother rosina and father joseph

Name: William John Cross
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Welsh
Age: 11
Record Type: Manifests
Birth Date: abt 1902
Birth Country: New Zealand
Arrival Date: 24 May 1913
Port of Arrival: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Residence Country: Canada
Line Number: 18

father a steveador
going to ms a m judd

Thank you Maddie.

This is a more informative entry of Marys death..


Event Type Burial
Name Mary Engstrom
Sex Female
Age 65
Residence Place 208 Cliff Ave.
Address 208 Cliff Ave.
Death or Burial Date 13 Feb 1920
Death or Burial Place Washington, United States
Death Date 11 Feb 1920
Death Place Tacoma, Pierce, Washington
Birth Year (Estimated) 1855
Birthplace England
Marital Status Widowed
Occupation Housewife
Race white
Ethnicity American
Father's Name William Williams
Father's Sex Male
Father's Birthplace England
Mother's Name Hanna Jefries
Mother's Sex Female
Mother's Birthplace England
Source Details p 203 cn 209
Cemetery Oakwood Cemetery
Funeral Home X
Mary Engstrom's Parents and Siblings
William Williams
Father
M
England

Hanna Jefries
Mother
F
England

Rose Cross also .free to view in familysearch.


Name Rose Cross
Event Date 26 Mar 1928
Event Place Tacoma, Pierce, Washington
Gender Female
Age (Formatted) 53 years 7 months 5 days
Birth Date 21 Aug 1874
Marital Status Married
Spouse's Name Joseph Cross
Father's Name John Paulson
Rose Cross's Parents and Siblings
John Paulson
Father
M

Rose Cross's Spouses and Children.

Joseph Cross
Husband
M

further details list---born in NZealand.

no information on father John Paulson only bn Sweden.

So we have a selection of fathers for Rose/Rosemary/Rosina -

John Paulson, Gus Engstrom, or Thomas Engstrom.

Whoever he was, he must have been in NZ, as Rose is said to have been born there.


As Rose was born 1875, her father's relationship with Mary should predate Mary and John Duckett's marriage, also in 1875.

But Mary was calling herself Engstrom in the US.

It looks maybe as if she was with Paulson first, then Duckett, then Engstrom.

???

Rosina Polson
in the New Zealand, Birth Index, 1840-1950
Name: Rosina Polson
Birth Date: Oct-Nov-Dec 1874
Registration Place: Port Chalmers, New Zealand
Folio Number: 1895

If all the dates were correct - but they probably aren't - they would mean that Mary left the family behind in 1890 and emigrated to America, leaving John unable to look after the children properly (per the report in 1892), with the result that they were put into the Caversham school, and then sent to their uncle in the US in 1902.

That would make sense then ArgyllGran, what a mess!

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=693068.0

https://www.otago.ac.nz/library/hocken/otago486006.pdf.


about the schools.

Bit more, confirming William Williams as a brother in law:

https://tinyurl.com/f5atahjv

Rose

Thank you Rose.xx

A piece about the Caversham School in 1883 - long before the Duckett children were there, but fascinating:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP18830821.2.18

The writer makes it sound idyllic!