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Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
Hartigan Margaret M Bradford Lambeth 1d 787a

daughters marriage

Marriages Dec 1931 (>99%)
Hartigan Kathleen F Triggs Lambeth 1d 590

Marriages Sep 1931 (>99%)
Hartigan Eileen Lister Lambeth 1d 897

death for fanny s c hartigan

Deaths Mar 1947 (>99%)
Hartigan Fanny S C 72 Lewisham 5d 43

this must be john joseph has there are no births with that name in uk that year

Deaths Sep 1931 (>99%)
Hartigan John J 58 Holborn 1b 402

There seem to have been several John Hartigans, of roughly the same age, in and around the Massachusetts area, with mothers named Margaret.

Thank you all for your input. I will have a good look and see where it takes me.

In the meantime I have ordered the marriage cert


Gerry

Birth of one child, picked at random, for mmn:

HARTIGAN, KATHLEEN FRANCES mmn BRADFORD
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 189


Marriages Jun 1901 (>99%)
BRADFORD Fanny Sarah C Canterbury 2a 1775
HARTIGAN John Joseph Canterbury 2a 1775


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John J Hartigan
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: John J Hartigan
Death Age: 58
Birth Date: abt 1873
Registration Date: Jul 1931[Aug 1931] [Sep 1931]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Holborn
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 402



John J Hartigan
in the U.S., Army Transport Service Arriving and Departing Passenger Lists, 1910-1939
Name: John J Hartigan
Departure Date: 15 Nov 1917
Departure Place: Newport News, VA
Address: 80 Brown Ave
Residence Place: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Mother: Margaret Hartigan
Ship: El Oriente
Military Unit: Hdgs Co 101 Inf
Rank: Private


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John Joseph Hartigan
in the U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: John Joseph Hartigan
Race: White
Birth Date: 14 Apr 1874
Residence Date: 1917-1918
Street Address: 422 E 52nd St
Residence Place: Manhattan, New York, New York, USA
Draft Board: 128
Physical Build: Medium
Height: Tall
Hair Color: Gray
Eye Color: Gray
Relative: Margaret Hartigan , 604 5th Ave.

Occupation: Freight Sorter, American Railway Export Coy. (fits 1911 census) <<<<


Occupation in 1911: Railway clerk, goods checker [ not "chicken" ! ]

Name: John Hartigan
Arrival Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1872
Port of Departure: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Arrival Date: 1894
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: British Prence
Official Number: 86164
Search Ship Database: Search for the British Prence in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

but he is a joiner

John Joseph
Country England
Last name Hartigan
Register type Parliamentary Borough
Year 1909
Archive The British Library
Season -
Archive reference SPR.Mic.P.540/BL.S.79
Residence 59 Grosvenor terrace
Record set England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1910-1932
Polling district or place -
Category Census, land & surveys
Constituency P B of Newington, West Division
Subcategory Electoral Rolls
Constituency in full Parliamentary Borough of Newington, West Division
Collections from Great Britain, England
County London, Surrey

different occupation

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
41, Mulkern Road, Islington, London & Middlesex, England
View original record
Household members (7 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frederick Sharpe Head
Married Male 35 1866 Railway carman London, Middlesex, England
Caroline Sharpe Wife
Married Female 35 1866 - London, Middlesex, England
Frederick Sharpe Son
Single Male 9 1892 - London, Middlesex, England
Walter L Sharpe Son
Single Male 8 1893 - London, Middlesex, England
Violet E Sharpe Daughter
Single Female 4 1897 - London, Middlesex, England
Dorothy Sharpe Daughter
Single Female 0 1901 - London, Middlesex, England
John Hartigan Boarder
Single Male 28 1873 Cheesemonger United States

Marriage cert will include father's details - if known

He states in 1911 that he's British, and the parents of the one in 1900 were born in Ireland, so that would fit.

BUT................proof is needed if you're to have an accurate tree

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Name: John Hartigan
Record Type: Birth
Birth Date: 7 Apr 1871
Birth Place: South Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA
Father: John Hartigan
Mother: Margt O'Neil


EDIT perhaps not....................in view of occupation, although that could have changed, of course
1900 census
Name: John Hartigan
Age: 26
Birth Date: Mar 1874
Birthplace: Massachusetts, USA
Home in 1900: Boston Ward 13, Suffolk, Massachusetts
Ward of City: 13
Street: E Street
House Number: 365
Sheet Number: 3
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation: 25
Family Number: 52
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: John Hartigan
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Name: Margaret Hartigan
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
Occupation: Horse Shoer*******************************
Months Not Employed: 0
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Can Speak English: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members Age Relationship
John Hartigan 65 Head...........................................Horse Shoer. Immigrated 1862. Not recorded as being Naturalized
Margaret Hartigan 56 Wife
Frank Hartigan 30 Son
Mary Hartigan 30 Daughter
John Hartigan 26 Son
Agnes Hartigan 21 Daughter
Annie Hartigan 9 Niece

nearest i can find
Name: John Hartigan
Record Type: Birth
Birth Date: 7 Apr 1871
Birth Place: South Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA
Father: John Hartigan
Mother: Margt O'Neil

1911 fror refr

1911 Census For England & Wales
24 Dugdale St Kennington SE, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England
View original record
Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John J Hartigan Head
Married Male 38 1873 Railway clerk goods chicken Boston U S a Resident
Fanny Hartigan Wife
Married Female 37 1874 None Canterbury Kent
Mabel Hartigan Daughter
- Female 9 1902 - Upr Holloway Ld Nth
Kathleen Hartigan Daughter
- Female 8 1903 - Upr Holloway Ld Nth
John J Hartigan Son
- Male 6 1905 - Muswell Hill London
Eileen Hartigan Daughter
- Female 5 1906

Boston USA ???

I can only find John in 1911 which says he was born 1873 in "Boston V S A" and was British.

He married Fanny in 1901 in Canterbury

I have no idea what the V S A means

Can you help please?