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Maureen

Maureen Report 4 Sep 2021 17:58

Please could you kindly help to find the marriage records of my grandparents.My nan was born Annie Crace in 1872 in Ireland. She married Arthur Eatwell around 1891 in England he passed away and she remarried Charles William Papworth approx. 1905 this the marriage i cannot find. any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanking you,
Maureen Job.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Sep 2021 18:05

Where have you looked?

Freebmd is the place to start

Are you certain there actually WAS a second marriage? Did it produce any offspring?

When did Eatwell die? And where?

The 1891 marriage is on freebmd. I’m going to let you find it.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Sep 2021 18:17

1891 census has Annie’s birth year as c1867

malyon

malyon Report 4 Sep 2021 18:23

this must be the marrige but other bride is not listed
Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%)
JOLLY Charles William St. Ives 3b 651 Scan available - click to view
Papworth Charles William St. Ives 3b 651 Scan available - click to view
STRINGER Ada St. Ives 3b 651

malyon

malyon Report 4 Sep 2021 19:00

this looks like annie name mis spelt papwatt

Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Charles Papwatt Head Male 38 Lonodn Holborn
Annie Papwatt Wife Female 38 Ireland
Charles Papwatt Son Male 4 St Pancras, London
Alfred Papwatt Son Male 3 St Pancras, London
Francis Papwatt Son Male 2 St Pancras, London
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Record Collection:

England and Wales Census, 1911


Document Information:
Similar Historical Records

Maddie

Maddie Report 4 Sep 2021 19:08

1911 from ancestry

Name: Annie Thomas Papworth
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ireland
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Search Photos: Search for 'St Pancras' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Country: England
Street Address: 29 Sidmouth St, Grays Inn Rd W C
Marital status: Married
Registration District Number: 9
Sub-registration District: South St Pancras
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Piece: 702
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles William Papworth 38
Annie Thomas Papworth 38
Charles William Papworth 4
Alfred James Papworth 3
Francis William Papworth 2

Charles William
Country England
Last name Papworth
Volume 1B
Birth quarter 3
Page 59
Birth year 1906
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Eatwell
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Pancras
Subcategory Civil Births
County London
Collections from Great Britain, England


First name(s) Francis William
Country England
Last name Papworth
Volume 1B
Birth quarter 1
Page 39
Birth year 1909
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Eatwell
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Pancras
Subcategory Civil Births
County London
Collections from Great Britain, England

1939
Name: Annie Papworth
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widowed
Birth Date: 1873
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 1a Shepherdess Walk
Residence Place: Shoreditch, London, England
Occupation: Incapacitated
Line Number: 15
Schedule Number: 2
Sub Schedule Number: 162
OVSPI: Patient
Enumeration District: ATCD
Borough: Shoreditch
Registration district: 16/1
Household Members Age
Emily Rhodes
82
Minnie L Hibbard
67
Rebecca Telford
71
Eleanor Morgan
49
Jean Smith
79
Susan Evans
86
Mary E Flowers
85
Louisa Cockshult
81
Eliza Miller
86
Clara Graham
79

Name
Charles W Papworth
Gender
Male
Marital Status
Widowed
Birth Date
4 May 1873
Residence Year
1939
Address
1. Kings Cross Rd. (Rowton House)
Residence Place
St Pancras, London, England
Occupation
Newspaper Newsvende??
Line Number 27
Schedule Number 1
Sub Schedule Number 27
OVSPI Inmate
Enumeration District
ASLW
Residence Place
St Pancras
Registration district
9/2
Household Members 25

Name: Charles W Papworth
Death Age: 66
Birth Date: abt 1873
Registration Date: Oct 1939
[Nov 1939]
[Dec 1939]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Pancras


cannot see a marriage

greyghost

greyghost Report 4 Sep 2021 19:13

No need to wonder when the first marriage was - find it on this free to use site

https://www.freebmd.org.uk
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1891 (>99%)
Crace Annie St. Giles 1b 774
Eatwell Arthur St. Giles 1b 774

St Giles was a Registration district spanning the boundaries of London and Middlesex

Maddie

Maddie Report 4 Sep 2021 19:14

maybe he was already married

Name: Charles William Papworth
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 21
Birth Date: abt 1873
Marriage Date: 10 Jun 1894
Marriage Place: St Anne, Soho, London, Westminster, England
Parish as it Appears: St Anne's Church, Westminster
Search Photos: Search for 'St Anne, Soho' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: Charles Papworth
Spouse: Ellen Jane Fisher

1911
Name: Ellen Jane Fisher
Age in 1911: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Patient
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Camberwell
Search Photos: Search for 'Camberwell' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Country: England
Street Address: Camberwell Infirmary (Poor Law), Brunswick Square, Camberwell
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 13
Estimated Marriage Year: 1898
Registration District Number: 27
Sub-registration District: Camberwell North
ED, institution, or vessel: 35-38
Piece: 2519
Household Members:
Name Age

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Sep 2021 19:19

The 1905 St Ives marriage posted by Malyon is NOT the correct one.

That Charles Papworth married Ada Stringer, and they are together in 1911, living in Pidley, Hunts., with several children (mmn Stringer).

malyon

malyon Report 4 Sep 2021 19:22

Deaths Mar 1897 (>99%)
Eatwell Arthur 38 Pancras 1b 25

greyghost

greyghost Report 4 Sep 2021 19:22

London Metropolitan Archives (on Ancestry) have this transcribed record -

Name: Annie Crace
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1867
Marriage Date: 27 Jan 1891
Marriage Place: St George, Bloomsbury, Camden, England
Father: James Crace
Spouse: Arthur Eatwell
Register Type: Parish Register

Image of the original shows -
Arthur a Widower aged 28. He is a Time Keeper.
Father Edwin James Eatwell (deceased) who was a Whitesmith

Annie a 24 year old spinster, no occupation. Father James was a Warehouseman.

Both gave their address as 26 Little Guildford Street

Witnesses Emma ? Mockford and Eleanor ? Weatherall

Both signed and her surname does look like Crace



ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Sep 2021 19:28

Annie Eatwell
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Annie Eatwell
Gender: Female
Age: 24
Relationship: Wife
Birth Year: 1867
Spouse: Arthur Eatwell
Birth Place: Killenney, Ireland <<<<<<<<<<<
[Kilkenny, Ireland]
Civil Parish: Bloomsbury St George
Ecclesiastical parish: Bloomsbury St George
Residence Place: Bloomsbury St George, London, England
Registration District: St Giles
Sub registration district: St George Bloomsbury
ED, Institution or Vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Piece: 208
Folio: 114
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Eatwell 30
Annie Eatwell 24


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Sep 2021 19:36

??? A bit early, but maybe she lied about her age to Charles. She was said to be born c1867 when with Arthur:


SR District/Reg Area - Kilkenny
Birth of ANNE GRACE in 1864
Name ANNE GRACE
Date of Birth 1864 [ 10 May 1864 ]
Group Registration ID 8288515
SR District/Reg Area Kilkenny


Father: James Grace, Freshford, pensioner East India Service.
Mother: Bridget Grace, formerly Gorman




James Grace
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name: James Grace
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 79
Birth Date: abt 1822
Birth Place: Co Kilkenny
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
House Number: 4
Residence Place: Chapel Street, Freshford, Kilkenny, Ireland
Relation to Head: Head of Family (Head)
Occupation: Army Pensioner East India Compy Artiltery
Religion: Roman Catholic
Literacy: Read and write
Household Members Age Relationship
James Grace 79 Head of Family (Head)
Bridget Grace 78 Wife


EDIT:
No, can't be this family.

Annie's father was a warehouseman on her marriage record in 1891.

malyon

malyon Report 4 Sep 2021 19:44

1911 census say annie had 5 children 3 died 2 living

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Sep 2021 19:52

Ancestry suggests this family:

Annie Crace
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Annie Crace
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: James Crace
Mother: Emily Crace
Gender: Female
Where born: (British Subject), East Indies [ IRELAND on image <<<<< ]
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Kings Place
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Piece: 559
Folio: 50
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
James Crace 40 - Walworth, pensioner from army
Emily Crace 32 - Ireland
Emily Crace 13 - Channel Islands
James Crace 11 - Ireland
Annie Crace 9
Alice Crace 7 - East India, British subject
Theresea Crace 5 - East India, British subject.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Sep 2021 20:01

Annie's not with the family in 1891 - but her father is a dock porter - so warehouseman seems feasible:

James Crace
in the 1891 England Census
Name: James Crace
Gender: Male
Age: 51
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1840
Spouse: Emily Crace
Child: Emily Crace
Alice Crace
Theresa Crace
Alfred Crace
Birth Place: Lambeth, London, England
Civil Parish: Christchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Residence Place: Christchurch, London, England
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: Christchurch Southwark
ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 341
Folio: 74
Household Members:
Name Age
James Crace 51 - dock porter
Emily Crace 45
Emily Crace 23
Alice Crace 17
Theresa Crace 14
Alfred Crace 10

Address: 2 Prices Lane.



However, it looks as if this might be Annie's baptism - not in Kilkenny.:

Frances Anne Crace
in the Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911
Name: Frances Anne Crace
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 6 Jun 1872
Birth Place: Millstreet, Cork, Ireland
Baptism Place: Millstreet, Cork, Ireland
Father: John James Crace
Mother: Emily Markham
FHL Film Number: 255855



SR District/Reg Area - Millstreet
Birth of FRANCES CRACE in 1872
Name FRANCES CRACE
Date of Birth 1872
Group Registration ID 11098709
SR District/Reg Area Millstreet

6 June 1872, at Barracks, Millstreet.
Father: John James Crace, Barracks, Millstreet, Sergeant in 43rd Light Infantry
Mother: Emily Crace, formerly Markham

greyghost

greyghost Report 4 Sep 2021 20:07

1896 child is Annie Frances (named after Mother Frances Annie?)

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
EATWELL, ALFRED JAMES CRACE
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 642

EATWELL, ALBERT WILLIAM CRACE
GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 615

EATWELL, JAMES CRACE
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 609

EATWELL, ANNIE FRANCES CRACE
GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 606

EATWELL, ALICE MARIA CRACE
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 627

?? not seeing birth of a James Henry, so possibly correct

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1895 (>99%)
Eatwell James Henry 0 St. Giles 1b 505

Deaths Sep 1897 (>99%)
Eatwell Alice Maria 0 St. Giles 1b 393

greyghost

greyghost Report 4 Sep 2021 20:08

James Crace
Chelsea Pensioners Discharge Documents 1760-1887

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First name(s) James
Discharge corps Oxfordshire Light Infantry - 43rd & 52nd Light Infantry
Last name Crace
Document type Discharge
Birth year -
Archive The National Archives
Birth town -
Series Wo 121 - Chelsea: Pensioners' Discharge Documents 1760-1887
Birth county -
Reference WO 121
Service number -
Box 0225
Regiment Oxfordshire Light Infantry - 43rd & 52nd Light Infantry
Record set British Army Service Records
Attestation year -
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Attestation corps -
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Discharge date 14 Jan 1879

greyghost

greyghost Report 4 Sep 2021 20:25

British India Office Births & Baptisms
Bangalore,Holy Trinity, Madras

First name(s) Ellen Theresa
Last name Crace
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Crace
Mother's first name(s) Emily
Mother's last name -
Birth year 1877
Archive reference N-2-58
Birth date 16 Jun 1877
Folio 216
Baptism year 1877
Page -
Baptism date 5 Jul 1877
Place Bangalore,Holy Trinity
Record set British India Office Births & Baptisms
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras
Presidency Madras
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
brightsolid online publishing ltd.
© Findmypast

From original -
Abode - Ballary
James a Private in the 43rd Light Infantry

Maddie

Maddie Report 5 Sep 2021 10:27

child of charles and ellen

Eleanor Anne
Mother's first name(s) Ellen Jane
Last name Papworth
Mother's last name Fisher
Birth year 1894
County Middlesex
Birth date 21 Nov 1894
Country England
Baptism year 1898
Archive Westminster Archdiocesan Archives
Baptism date 17 Jun 1898
Document type Baptisms
Church Bavarian Chapel
Records year range 1881-1907
Parish Soho, Warwick Street (Bavarian Chapel), Our Lady of the Assumption & St Gregory
Page 369
Deanery Westminster
Record set England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Diocese Westminster
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Ecclesiastical province Westminster
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Father's first name(s) Charles William
Collections from England, Great Britain
Father's last name Papworth

Helena Anne
Country England
Last name Papworth
Volume 1B
Birth quarter 4
Page 622
Birth year 1894
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Fisher
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District St. Giles
Subcategory Civil Births
County London
Collections from Great Britain, England

what happened to her, not with charles in 1911