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I have sent for the Death Certificate for William Smith who died in Reigate in 1882 aged 85 years hoping it might give me some new leads. As the mail is very slow these days probably won't receive it until the end of Decermbe, I have used PDF but have had no luck receiving so back to slow mail :-D
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William Smith
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: William Smith
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 2 Dec 1797
Baptism Place: Coombes,Sussex,England
Father: Richard Smith
Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 918262
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Also in the workhouse in 1871:
William Smith
in the 1871 England Census
Name: William Smith [coachman, domestic servant ]
Age: 76
Estimated Birth Year: 1795
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Male
Where born: Coombes, Sussex, England
Civil parish: Reigate
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Reigate
Sub-registration district: Reigate
ED, institution, or vessel: Reigate Union Workhouse
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 833
Folio: 136
Page number: 3
Maybe ??
William Smith
in the 1851 England Census
Name: William Smith
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where Born: Coombes, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Ealing
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: The North Star, Uxbridge Road
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Brentford
Sub-registration District: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2c
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 84
Piece: 1699
Folio: 112
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
George Smith 50 - beer shop keeper
Sarah Smith 44 - wife
Eliza Smith 18 - daughter
Rebecca Smith 7 - daughter
Adelaide Elms 19 - visitor
William Smith 52 - lodger, labourer, married
[Plus a number of other lodgers, all farm labourers.]
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Possibly the man who died in Reigate - though it's not definite proof that he's your Henry's father:
William Smith
in the England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name: William Smith
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797
Date of Trial: 5 Apr 1836
Trial Year: 1836
Location of Trial: Surrey, England
Sentence: Imprisonment [ 6 months for larceny ]
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William Smith
in the 1881 England Census
Name: William Smith
Age: 84
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797
Relationship to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where Born: Coombes, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Reigate Foreign
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: "Reigate Union Workhouse" Red Hill
Marital status: Widower
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Coachman (N O) - [N O means No Occupation - presumably means retired ]
Registration District: Reigate
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Union Workhouse
Neighbors:
Piece: 800
Folio: 107
Page Number: 6
William Smith
in the Surrey, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1997
Name: William Smith
Age: 85
Birth Date: abt 1797
Death Date: abt 1882
Burial Date: 10 Nov 1882
Burial Place: Redhill, St John, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears: Reigate, District of St John and St Matthew, Redhill
Address: Union Workhouse
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I have just received this information
Surrey, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: William Smith
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Sep 1797
Baptism Place: Reigate, St Mary, Surrey, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: 11186
Father: William Smith
Mother: Ann Smith
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smith
Ann Smith
William Smith
I believe this could be my Henry Smith born abt 1837 (Reigate) father William Smith born 1797 & his Grandparents William & Ann?
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These seem to be the marriages some trees on Ancestry claim to be that Henry's:
Henry Smith
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Henry Smith
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 11 May 1861
Marriage Place: St James, Bermondsey, Southwark, England
Father: William Smith
Spouse: Amelia Jane Hughes
Register Type: Parish Register
Bachelor and spinster. His father is William, gentleman.
Henry's address: St Johns Horsleydown. [i.e. - Bermondsey ]
Henry Smith
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Henry Smith
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 46
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1837
Marriage Date: 30 Jul 1883
Marriage Place: St Mary, Lambeth, Lambeth, England
Father: William Smith
Spouse: Ann Blinman Child
Register Type: Parish Register
That Henry is a widower, and Ann is a widow.
Henry's a licensed victualler. Father William, deceased, gentleman.
Henry's address: Kennington Cross [i.e. - Lambeth ]
In the 1841 and 1851 censuses posted previously, William is a broker.
So, assuming the Henry of the two marriages is the same Henry as in 1841 and 1851, born 22/5 /1837, he's definitely not the man who went to Australia.
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Well, in that case the DOB 22/5 /1837 is NOT that of the Henry who went to Australia - unless by huge coincidence.
It also means his birthplace is unknown.
ADDED:
How do you know that isn't the right family?
Apart from the fact that his father's name was William, there seems to be nothing online to give any clue to his origins.
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This Henry Smith below was born 22/5 /1837 -
Henry Smith
Vital • England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name Henry Smith
Sex Male
Christening Date 18 Jun 1837
Christening Place Bermondsey, Surrey, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original) St. Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Father's Name William Smith
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Mary Ann Smith
Mother's Sex Female
Address: Snowsfield. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
The image is viewable in FS (near the bottom of page 26 of the range of records which are shown).
The DOB is on the image, although not transcribed.
This is the family in 1841:
Henery Smith
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Henery Smith
[Henry Smith]
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: Snowsfield <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Occupation:
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Registration District: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Sub-registration District: Leather Market
Neighbors:
Piece: 1047
Book: 1
Folio: 7
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smith 29
Mary Ann Smith 30
William Smith 7
Charles Smith 6
Henery Smith 4
Elizabeth Smith 2 Mo
And 1851;
Henry Smith
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Henry Smith
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Willm Smith
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: 55 Snowsfield <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Bermondsey
Sub-registration District: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 01
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 22
Piece: 1562
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Willm Smith 39
Mary Ann Smith 40
William Smith 16
Charles Smith 15
Henry Smith 13
Elizabeth Smith 10
Alfred Smith 8
Fredk Smith 6
Mary Ann Smith 10 Mo
Hannah Guddin 23
I don't see him definitely in 1861 - but that's not necessarily proof that he's the man who went to Australia, even though his father's name is William.
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Unfortunately there are lots of Henry Smiths born c1837 in England (not to mention other parts of the UK) with father named William.
The fact that he was "late of Reigate, England" on his death notice on the other thread, isn't really any help.
He may not have been born anywhere near there, but only staying there in the 1870s, as indicated on the other thread, in the 1873 notice of the sale of his property.
"Henry Smith (Who is visiting England)"
You said he was born 22/5/1837 in Surrey.
Where did you find that information, please?
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I have been asked to put these details on here as I have them on my inquiry for Henry's mothers name.
At Pirie Street Chapel, Adelaide, South Australia
South Australian Register Adelaide, SA. Thu. 19 Mar 1863 Pg. 2. MARRIAGES. SMITH-WALKER.-On the 18th March, ... , by the Rev. Spencer Williams, Mr. Henry Smith, of Adelaide, to Charlotte, youngest daughter of Mr. William Walker, Parade, Norwood.
The South Australian Register Tues 18 Feb 1873
PRELIMIARY NOTICE
Household Furniture,Harmonium, and Effects
Horse ,Wagonette,Newport Pagnall
Two Pure Alderney Cows, in Milk
Parade,Norwood near the Old Colonist
James H Parr has Received Instructions from Henry Smith (Who is visiting England) to sell,at his Residence Parade Norwood as Above
Full Particulars to be Advised
Also Three Allotments of Land situate in Charles Street and Benson Street Norwood
To the Registrar, Court of Insolvency.-Take notice that, by deed
dated the fourteenth day of February, one thousand eight hundred
and eighty-seven, and made in pursuance of Part XI. of the Insolvent
Act, 1886, Henry Smith, of the Parade, Norwood, in the province of
South Australia, storekeeper, trading as H. Smith & Co., conveyed and
assigned all his real and personal estate to J ames Henry Fry, of Gilbertplace, Adelaide, in the said province, agent, the trustee, upon trust for
·384 THE SOUTH AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT GAZETTE. lFeb. 17,1887
To the Registrar, Court of Insolvency.-Take notice that, by deed
dated the fourteenth day of February, one thousand eight hundred
and eighty-seven, and made in pursuance of Part XI. of the Insolvent Act, 1886, Henry Smith, of the Parade, Norwood, in the province of South Australia, storekeeper, trading as H. Smith & Co., conveyed and assigned all his real and personal estate to J ames Henry Fry, of Gilbertplace, Adelaide, in the said province, agent, the trustee, upon trust for the benefit of the creditors of the said Henry Smith: And further take notice that such deed was duly executed as required by the said Act,and that the same lies for inspection and execution at the office of the undersigned, Commercial Chamber Gilbert-place, Adelaide. Dated this 14th day of February, l7. JAMES H. FRY, Trustee.Filed in the office of the Registrar of the Court of Insolvency this fifteenth day of February, 1887, at the hour of thirty minutes pastthree o'clock in the afternoon.
ROBERT BLUNT, Registrar
17 Feb 1887
THE SOUTH AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT GAZETTE. Pg. 333 - 334.
dated the 14 February, 1887 ... Henry Smith, of the Parade, Norwood, in the province of South Australia, storekeeper, trading as H. Smith & Co., conveyed and assigned all his real and personal estate to James Henry Fry, of Gilbert place, Adelaide ...
1895 Sands & McDougall Directory South Australia
North Adelaide, South Australia
Henry Smith, a Draper; Palmer Pl. - East Side. (Brougham Pl.)
9 Sep 1895
North Adelaide, South Australia 58yrs
South Australian Chronicle, Adelaide, SA. Sat. 14 Sep 1895. Pg. 4. SMITH.-On the 9th September, at his residence, Palmer-place, N.A., Henry Smith, late of Reigate, England, aged 58.
10 Sep 1895
North Road Anglican Cemetery, North Adelaide, South Australia
Plot ID: 3065/3066, Path 18. Henry Smith of Palmer Street. Burial No.: 2434. bu. 10 Sep 1895. Age: 58yrs.
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First name(s) Henry
Place North Adelaide
Last name Smith
District Adelaide
Gender Male
State South Australia
Status Not recorded
Country Australia
Birth year 1837
Registration number 229/105
Death year 1895
Record set South Australia Deaths 1842-1972
Death date 09 Sep 1895
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Age at death 58y
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Residence North Adelaide
Collections from Australasia
© Genealogy SA, trading as the South Australian Genealogy & Heraldry Society Inc; www.genealogysa.org.au
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Don’t know if you have actual details
Henry
Spouse's first name(s) Charlotte
Last name Smith
Spouse's last name Walker
Marital status Not Recorded
Spouse's marital status Not recorded
Age 25
Spouse's age 22
Birth year 1838
Spouse's birth year 1841
Marriage year 1863
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Marriage date 18 Mar 1863
Spouse's father's last name Walker
Place Wesleyan Chapel Pirie St Adelaide
Registration number 53/320
District Adelaide
Record set South Australia Marriages 1842-1937
State South Australia
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Country Australia
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Father's first name(s) William
Collections from Australasia
Father's last name Smith
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