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Deb -

Please can you tell us everything that's on the 1869 death cert, just in case anything turns out to be a clue, however distant?


Just a possibility for John in 1861, which might be where the Irish connection comes in.
I know the age doesn't quite match the age of the man who died in 1869, but info on censuses isn't always accurate.
This man is a coal miner, which would fit with the death cert .:

John Burke
in the 1861 England Census
Name: John Burke
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: 1836
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Wednesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Wednesbury
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Trouse Lane
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: West Bromwich
Sub-registration District: Wednesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 124
Piece: 2033
Folio: 16
Page Number: 25


However, as already said, John Burke is a very common name, and we don't know where in Ireland he may have been born.

There are lots of baptisms of children named John Burk(e) 1836-40 on irishgenealogy.ie - many with fathers named John - and there will be others whose records haven't survived.

Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Staffordshire
Place (Links to more information) Wednesbury
Church name (Links to more information) St Mary on the Hill
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Marriage date 29 Apr 1862
Groom forename John
Groom surname BURKE
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname MARRIOTT
Groom father forename John
Groom father surname BURKE
Bride father forename John
Bride father surname MARRIOTT
Witness1 Austin ORGILL
Witness2 Emma MARRIOTT
Notes If you have a copy of this marriage certificate - please send a scan/photo or the full information to [email protected] so that this information can be added to this record.
Transcribed by Jonathan Maxfield
File line number 135

***Update ***

So I ordered the marriage certificates and death certificate and below is the information I have.

Marriage of John Burke * Mary Maryatt (Marriott)
29th April 1862 St. Mary's Chapel Wednesbury
John's father - John Burke General Labourer
Mary's father - John Maryatt ( Marriott) General Labourer

I am so desperate to find the origins of the Burke family - it's my mums fathers family and as she's ill i'd love to be able to give her this information sooner rather than later. I've heard how difficult it is to trace Irish families and especially with a name like John Burke :-( there appears to be 100's of them.

All help as always is greatly appreciated :-D

New thread started about Mary's parents - :

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1396197

ArgyllGran

Thank you very much, I'm going to order those certificates right away.

Fingers crossed - so excited :-D

Thank you for your help, and everyone else who's contributed to the thread.

As far as the death cert is concerned -
It would confirm (or not) if that is "your" John's death, assuming Mary was the informant.

The address might be the same as Mary's in 1871. (25 Queen Street )

From the same link as above:

Details contained on a death certificate include:
• Name, date and place of death.
• Date and place of birth (before 1969 a certificate only showed age of deceased).
• Occupation and usual address.
• Cause of death.
• The person who gave information for the death registration.

Details contained on a marriage certificate prior to 4th May 2021
include:
• Date and place of marriage.
• Name, age and marital status/condition of the parties.
• Occupation and usual address.
• Name and occupation of each party's father.
• Names of the witnesses.
• Name of the person who solemnised the marriage.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/images/CG14.pdf

It probably wouldn't confirm if he was "your" John Burke unless you know Mary's father's name.

But the place seems correct, and the date fits with the birth of the eldest child.

ArgyllGran

That death would certainly fit in with what I thought. Would sending for the death certificate have any benefit for me, would I gain any further information to add weight to it?

Also, if I went ahead and got the marriage certificate, how would I know if this is definitely the John Burke that I'm looking for?

Sorry for all the questions, I've been away from searching for years and it's taking me sometime to get my head round things.

Regards Deb

You need to buy the marriage cert to see what info is given about John - father's name, for instance.

Burke is certainly an Irish name, but there were several John Burkes in Staffordshire in 1861 - assuming that's where he was at that time.

???
Deaths Sep 1869 (>99%)
Burke John 30 Dudley 6c 16

Mary Burk
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Mary Burk
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: 1841
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Wednesbury Staffordshire England
Civil parish: Sedgley
Ecclesiastical parish: Coseley
Town: Brierley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Sedgley
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Household schedule number: 31
Piece: 3007
Folio: 6
Page number: 6
Household Members Age Relationship
Mary Burk 30 Head - widow, employed on coal wharf
James Burk 8 Son
Mary Ann Burk 5 Daughter
Catharine Burk 1 Daughter

**Yes this is the family**. Thank you.
I'm looking for as much information as possible please about Mary and John (the parents)
My family have always believed that there is an Irish connection somewhere, but up until now I've not been able to find it.

Thanks for all your help, I really do appreciate it.

???

Marriages Jun 1862 (>99%)
Burke John W Bromwich 6b 819 <<<<<<<<
Carey Edward W Bromwich 6b 819
Flannery Bridget W. Bromwich 6b 819
Maryatt Mary W. Bromwich 6b 819 <<<<<<<<


Edward Carey and Bridget Flannery married each other , per later censuses.

Mary Burk
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Mary Burk
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: 1841
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Wednesbury Staffordshire England
Civil parish: Sedgley
Ecclesiastical parish: Coseley
Town: Brierley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Sedgley
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Household schedule number: 31
Piece: 3007
Folio: 6
Page number: 6
Household Members Age Relationship
Mary Burk 30 Head - widow, employed on coal wharf
James Burk 8 Son
Mary Ann Burk 5 Daughter
Catharine Burk 1 Daughter


Address: 25 Queen Street

???

Harriet Burke
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Harriet Burke
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Mother: Mary Burke
Gender: Female
Where born: Ivsey Bank, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Bilston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: No 25 Bridge St
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration District: Wolverhampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors:
Piece: 2815
Folio: 42
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Burke 38 - widow, washerwoman
James Burke 15
Mary Ann Burke 13
Katherine Burke 11
Harriet Burke 5

??
BURKE, MARGARET MARRIOTT
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 36

BURK, MARY ANN MARRIOTT
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 59

BURKE, HARRIET MARRIOTT
GRO Reference: 1873 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 87

The birth registration of James

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BURKE, JAMES MARRIOTT
GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 712

Can you post an 1871/1881 census where you have found the family

The more information you can give us, the more we can hopefully help you

When and where was each of the parents born?

Where did you find the names of the sisters? When and where were they born..........................................please?

Good morning all

I am so puzzled, been trying to find the marriage of John Burke - Mary Marriott. I'm thinking it's going to be in Stafford somewhere. Their son James Burke was born 17.3.1863 Hateley Heath West Brom. This has been puzzling me for years

I think they also had daughters Catherine, Harriet and one other.