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Yvonne
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12 Aug 2021 23:53 |
I have Margaret Snowdon baptised 13 Mar 1822 in Hesket in the Forest, parents John Snowdon and Mary Storey. I also have Edward Snowdon baptised same day, same parents, so I'm assuming they were twins. I am trying to find out what happened to Margaret - I can't find her in the 1841 census and can't find a death for her. I have Edward lodging with a John Salkeld in 1841 census, age 15, making birth 1824 not 1822, but the reason I think it's him is because Ann Dodd is working closeby as a family servant for her grandmother, Ann Deark. Edward married Ann Dodd in Melmerby and her parents were John Dodd and Elizabeth Deark.
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malyon
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13 Aug 2021 00:13 |
looks likr her marriagr
Margaret Snowden's Parents and Siblings John Snowden Father M
Margaret Snowden's Spouses and Children Elijah Clegg Husband M
Name Elijah Clegg Sex Male Father's Name Richard Clegg Father's Sex Male Spouse's Name Margaret Snowden Spouse's Sex Female Spouse's Father's Name John Snowden Spouse's Father's Sex Male Marriage Date 31 Jan 1846 Marriage Place Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom Marriage Place (Original) Habergham-Eaves, Lancashire,
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Gwyn in Kent
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13 Aug 2021 07:14 |
You can't assume that they were twins because they were baptised the same day. They might have been, but you would need other proof. Sometimes the vicar or clerk helpfully add birth dates at the side of the parish record entry.
I have seen many church records where families had 2 , 3 or even more children baptised the same day, even though their birth dates were spread over many years.
In 1841 census, ages were rounded to the nearest multiple of 5, so I would have expected for Edward to be recorded older than 15, as he was in fact at least 19, if he was baptised in 1822.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 Aug 2021 08:54 |
: 1851 census
Margt Clegg Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Elizah Clegg Gender: Female Where born: Cowling, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Habergham Eaves Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: Burnley Sub-registration District: Burnley ED, institution, or vessel: 7n Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 98 Piece: 2252 Folio: 337 Page Number: 30 Household Members: Name Age Elizah Clegg 22 Margt Clegg 30 James Clegg 3 Everett Clegg 11 Mo
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ArgyllGran
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13 Aug 2021 08:55 |
On the other hand, if he was indeed born in 1822 as well as baptised then, his age would show as 15 in the 1841 census, as ages were rounded down to the nearest multiple of 5.
But without proof . . . . . .
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 Aug 2021 08:55 |
1861 census
Margaret Clegg Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: 1821 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Elijah Clegg Gender: Female Where born: Cranshaws, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Burnley Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Burnley County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration District: Burnley Sub-registration District: Burnley ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 16 Piece: 3068 Folio: 46 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Elijah Clegg 37 Margaret Clegg 40 James Clegg 13 Everett Clegg 10 Israel Clegg 8 Admeral Clegg 5 Ernest Clegg 2 Ellen Edmondson 26
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 Aug 2021 08:56 |
They went to the USA
1870 census
Margaret Clegg Age in 1870: 48 Birth Date: abt 1822 Birthplace: England Dwelling Number: 247 Home in 1870: Fall River Ward 1, Bristol, Massachusetts Race: White Gender: Female Post Office: Fall River Occupation: Keeping House Father of Foreign Birth: Yes Mother of Foreign Birth: Yes Inferred Spouse: Elijah Clegg Inferred Children: Israel Clegg Admiral Clegg Earnest Clegg Elisabeth A Clegg Household Members Age Elijah Clegg 44 Margaret Clegg 48 Israel Clegg 17 Admiral Clegg 15 Earnest Clegg 14 Elisabeth A Clegg 10 Mary Atkinson 31 Ella J Atkinson 12 Charlotte Atkinson 4
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 Aug 2021 08:59 |
Death
Margaret Clegg Gender: Female Age: 60 Birth Date: abt 1818 Birth Place: England Death Date: 1 Nov 1878 Death Place: Fall River, Massachusetts, USA Father: John Mother: Betty Clegg
Elijah Clegg Birth Date: 1823 Birth Place: England Death Date: 25 Sep 1880 Cemetery: Oak Grove Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Fall River, Bristol County, Massachusetts, United States of America Has Bio?: Y Spouse: Margaret Clegg Children: Admiral Clegg Elizabeth A Clegg Ernest Clegg URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/100626041/elijah-clegg
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ArgyllGran
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13 Aug 2021 09:03 |
The marriage to Elijah Clegg seems unlikely.
Hesket is about 100 miles away from Habergham Eaves.
ADDED: and the birthplace of Margaret Clegg in the 1851 posted by Shirley seems to confirm that.
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ArgyllGran
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13 Aug 2021 09:43 |
No help with Margaret , but . . . . .
Margaret's parents' marriage (for our reference for location; I realise Yvonne already has this) :
John Snowdon Marriage • England, Northumberland, Parish Registers, 1538-1950. Name John Snowdon Sex Male Spouse's Name Mary Storey Spouse's Sex Female Marriage Date 6 Nov 1808 Marriage Place Rothbury, Northumberland, England, United Kingdom <<<
Possibly Mary with two other children :
Mary Snowden in the 1841 England Census Name: Mary Snowden Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786 Gender: Female Civil Parish: Hesket in The Forest Hundred: Leath County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street Address: Occupation: View image Registration District: Penrith Sub-registration District: Kirkoswald Neighbors: Piece: 173 Book: 2 Folio: 6 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Mary Snowden 55 Thomas Snowden 10 Mary Snowden 5
Mary Snowdon in the 1851 England Census Name: Mary Snowdon Age: 62 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1789 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Rothbury, Northumberland, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Civil Parish: Upper and Nether Hesket County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: Penrith Sub-registration District: Greystoke ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 148 Piece: 2426 Folio: 250 Page Number: 42 Household Members: Name Age Mary Snowdon 62 Thomas Snowdon 21 Mary Jane Snowdon 17
Thos. Snowden in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Thos. Snowden Gender: Male Baptism Date: 31 Jan 1830 Baptism Place: Armathwaite,Cumberland,England Father: John Snowden Mother: Mary FHL Film Number: 90556
??? Mary Jane Snowdon in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Mary Jane Snowdon Gender: Female Baptism Date: 13 Apr 1834 Baptism Place: Armathwaite, Cumberland, England Mother: Mary Snowdon FHL Film Number: 1472059 Reference ID: items 17-20 p 27
Armathwaite is about 3 miles from Hesket.
BUT John and Mary Snowden/Snowdon seem to be common names in the area.
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alviegal
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13 Aug 2021 20:35 |
??? Birth year is out though.
Margaret Last name Snowden Birth year 1824 Age Infant Death year 1824 Burial year 1824 Burial date 30 Jun 1824 Place Hesket in the Forest County Cumberland Country England Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales
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ArgyllGran
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13 Aug 2021 21:34 |
Presumably siblings of Margaret and Edward:
Geo. Snowden England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Geo. Snowden Sex: Male Christening Date: 29 Feb 1824 Christening Place: Hesket in the Forest, Cumberland, England, United Kingdom Christening Place (Original): Hesket-In-The-Forest, Cumberland, England Father's Name: John Snowden Father's Sex: Male Mother's Name: Mary Mother's Sex: Female
Jos. Snowden England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Jos. Snowden Sex: Male Christening Date: 2 Apr 1826 Christening Place: Hesket in the Forest, Cumberland, England, United Kingdom Christening Place (Original): Hesket-In-The-Forest, Cumberland, England Father's Name: John Snowden Father's Sex: Male Mother's Name: Mary Mother's Sex: Female
I can see George (probably) in 1851, 1871, 1881 and 1891 in St George Hanover Square, London, with wife Elizabeth. He died there in 1892.
Can't see Joseph conclusively anywhere. EDIT - See death posted below by Maddie.
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Maddie
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14 Aug 2021 12:21 |
SNOWDEN, JOSEPH 13 GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in PENRITH UNION Volume 25 Page 84
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Yvonne
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14 Aug 2021 21:29 |
Thanks everyone for the info, sorry about the delayed response. I'm not ready to rule out Edward and Margaret being twins yet, as when Edward married Ann Dodd they had a set of twins, Eleanor and Grace. Not sure how I'd prove this though.
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Gwyn in Kent
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15 Aug 2021 08:00 |
The original church register might record that they were twins, otherwise I'm not sure how you could be certain.
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Maddie
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15 Aug 2021 11:47 |
on these entries ? mark over birth date
Edward Last name Snowden Birth year 1822 Birth date ? ? 1822 Baptism year 1822 Baptism date 13 Mar 1822 Parish Hesket in the Forest Father's first name(s) John Father's last name - Mother's first name(s) Mary Mother's last name Snowden Cumberland Baptisms
Margaret Last name Snowden Birth year 1822 Birth date ? ? 1822 Baptism year 1822 Baptism date 13 Mar 1822 Parish Hesket in the Forest Father's first name(s) John Father's last name - Mother's first name(s) Mary Mother's last name Snowden County Cumberland
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Yvonne
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15 Aug 2021 22:35 |
That’s interesting that they have a question mark over them, that’s how I feel. Looks like something we’ll never be sure of.
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Yvonne
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15 Aug 2021 22:35 |
That’s interesting that they have a question mark over them, that’s how I feel. Looks like something we’ll never be sure of.
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ArgyllGran
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16 Aug 2021 10:26 |
The question mark is in the transcription, and is because there is no record of the birth dates on the original baptism record.
Even putting 1822 as the year of birth is only a guess by the transcriber, and possibly misleading, because nobody knows.
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