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alviegal
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28 Aug 2021 18:36 |
Such a sad story, glad we could help.
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ArgyllGran
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28 Aug 2021 17:01 |
PM from Selena today:
"Just to say I visited the grave today. Left a little something as a memory from childhood. Thank you so much for helping with this."
You're very welcome, Selena.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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5 Aug 2021 19:32 |
He was born 1948 Greenwich which is all in the same area
Sent to broadmoor but could still be alive
My area of birth too before we moved to Kent .!
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alviegal
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5 Aug 2021 19:21 |
Selena, I've deleted it as it the man may still be alive but I have pm a snippit.
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Kucinta
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5 Aug 2021 18:58 |
The Liverpool Echo article ArgyllGran found, was on FMP.
AG has kindly transcribed it, but I will also pm you a snip of the article.
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ArgyllGran
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5 Aug 2021 18:43 |
Deborah Ann Hawkes in the UK and Ireland, Find a Grave Index, 1300s-Current Name: Deborah Ann Hawkes Gender: F (Female) Birth Date: 14 Jan 1968 Birth Place: Lewisham, London Borough of Lewisham, Greater London, England Death Date: 14 Oct 1977 Death Place: New Cross, London Borough of Lewisham, Greater London, England Cemetery: Grove Park Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Grove Park, London Borough of Lewisham, Greater London, England Plot: A339.
Marian's buried in the same grave. Same date of death given for both.
Photos: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/195866811/deborah-ann-hawkes
In loving memory of Deborah Ann aged 9 years and Marian Jane Hawkes aged 5 years Died 14th Oct 1977 Grant them Thy eternal rest.
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ArgyllGran
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5 Aug 2021 13:12 |
Interestingly, Deborah's birth registration was also a late entry:
Births Mar 1968 (>99%) HAWKES Deborah Ann (mmn West ) Greenwich 5b S70
Births Sep 1970 (>99%) HAWKES Deborah Ann WEST Greenwich 5b 1393
Births Mar 1972 (>99%) HAWKES Marian Jane WEST Greenwich 5b 1031
Their father was Reginald.
By manipulating the search terms on BNA:
War fears led father to kill his daughters
A FATHER who studied politics and world affairs—and feared for the future—killed his two young daughters, an Old Bailey court was told to-day. Mr. Don Hobis, QC, defending. told the Recorder of London, Mr. James Miskin, QC, that as a result of the political studies Reginald Alan Hawkes, aged 29, believed Europe was a spent force and war was inevitable. Hawkes, of Simla Close, Deptford, London, pleaded not guilty to the 'murder of his daughters Deborah, nine, and Marion, five, but guilty to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility. He was sent to Broadmoor for an indefinite period . Mr. Hollis said that while Mrs. Hawkes was away on a catering course, Mr. Hawkes reflected on Deborah's personality and realised she was meek and, in his view, genetically inadequate. He thought it a kindness to kill her and regarded it as an act of euthanasia. Mr. David Jefferies, prosecuting, said the children died on different dates between October 2 and 15 last year. Hawkes gave Deborah vodka, mixed with drugs, and put her in a bath. She died from drowning. He wrapped her body in blankets and hid it under floorboards in a cupboard. A dew days later he gave Marion vodka and cider mixed with drugs and put her in the bath, too. She also died from drowning, and he then took a non-lethal dose of poison himself. "
[I think that's all - thank goodness. What an upsetting story. His poor wife! ]
He may still be alive - I don't see his death.
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Selena in South East London
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5 Aug 2021 13:07 |
Oh my gosh Argyll Gran, that's definitely the family. I will follow up with the BNA but strange its in a Liverpool Newspaper. So it seems the girls died in 1977 but the deaths not registered until 1978 - possibly as an Inquest after a death prevented the immediate issuing of a death certificate. I wanted to search by the father's name but there are two possible marriages? Any thoughts?
Marriages Jun 1970 (>99%) COLE Phyllis G WHALL Lewisham 5d 642 Scan available - click to view GREY Phyllis G WHALL Lewisham 5d 642 Scan available - click to view HAWKES Reginald A WEST Lewisham 5d 642 Scan available - click to view WEST Sheila P HAWKES Lewisham 5d 642 Scan available - click to view WHALL Robert D COLE Lewisham 5d 642 Scan available - click to view WHALL Robert D GREY Lewisham 5d 642 Scan available - click to view
Marriages Mar 1967 (>99%) Galea Stephen Hicks Richmond/Ths 5d 1902 Scan available - click to view HAWKES RODNEY WEST RICHMOND/THS 5D 1902 Scan available - click to view Hicks Hilda M Galea Richmond/Ths 5d 1902 Scan available - click to view WEST Rita A HAWKES Richmond/Ths 5d 1902 Scan available - click to view
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ArgyllGran
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5 Aug 2021 12:54 |
From British Newspaper Archive, though I don't have a sub to see the full article:
War fears led father to kill his daughters
... aged 29, believed Europe was a spent force and war was inevitable. Hawkes, of Simla Close, Deptford, London, pleaded not guilty to the 'murder of his daughters Deborah, nine, and Marion, five, but guilty , to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished ... Published: Tuesday 14 March 1978 Newspaper: Liverpool Echo County: Lancashire, England Type: Article | Words: 237 | Page: 1 | Tags: none
https://tinyurl.com/jpz6jrvw
ADDED: See fuller version in my next post.
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ArgyllGran
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5 Aug 2021 12:43 |
The 1978 entries were late entries for deaths which presumably should have been registered in 1977.
If you look at the image of the actual Index on FreeBMD you will see that in 1977 the entries are hand-written additions at the bottom of the page, whereas in 1978 they are typed entries in the main body of the page.
Re late entries:
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/late-entry-help.html
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ErikaH
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5 Aug 2021 12:43 |
The death cert(s) may hold helpful info
Nothing in 'Newspapers' on FMP
Suggest you try contacting the nearest main public library
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Selena in South East London
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5 Aug 2021 12:35 |
Hello, I am trying to find out more about a childhood friend of mine who sadly died in the 1970s. Below are the records from FreeBMD for her and her younger sister.
I am trying to work out why the deaths were entered twice. I would also like to find out if there are any Inquest or newspaper reports available online that could tell me more about this. Any help is much appreciated.
Deaths Dec 1977 (>99%) HAWKES DEBERAH ANNE 14JA1968 LEWISHAM 14 J'78 Scan available - click to view Deaths Jun 1978 (>99%) HAWKES DEBORAH ANNE 14JA1968 LEWISHAM 14 587 Scan available - click to view
Deaths Dec 1977 (>99%) HAWKES MARION JANE 18JA1972 LEWISHAM 14 JUNE 78 Scan available - click to view Deaths Jun 1978 (>99%) HAWKES MARION JANE 18JA1972 LEWISHAM 14 669 Scan available - click to viewAssociated System Entry related to this entry - click for more information
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