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Tawny
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12 Jul 2021 15:47 |
I was wondering if anyone could find my 4x great grandmother on the 1861 census?
My 4x great grandmother was born Agnes Wasdale in 1805 and I have a birth date of 13/2/1805 and a christening date of 15/2/1805 at St John, Beckermet church, Beckermet which now comes under the diocese of Carlisle.
Agnes married twice first John Oswald Cannon though I’m struggling to find their marriage and second William Quiggin Greenlaw on 22/3/1837 in Whitehaven, Cumberland. William’s parents married at the end of 1814 in Whitehaven and he appears to have been born in 1815 though I cannot find a christening record. As a result of William being 10 years younger than Agnes age is a very elastic concept to her and she claims to have been born anywhere between her own year of birth and her husbands and changes it on each census.
William died in 1854 and Agnes has a tendency to deposit her children with different relatives however children who might be living with her are Alexander Henry Greenlaw (1837), Jane Greenlaw (1840), William Quiggin Greenlaw (1841) and Margaret Quiggin Greenlaw (1843). Her youngest daughter Eleanor Wasdale Greenlaw (1845) is working as a house servant in the home of her half brother Thomas Coulthard Cannon (1832).
All the children were born in Whitehaven. Can anyone find Agnes?
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greyghost
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12 Jul 2021 15:51 |
Transcript of Agnes's record
First name(s) Agnes Last name Wasdale Marital status Spinster Year 1829 Marriage year 1829 Marriage date 31 Dec 1829 Place Liverpool, St Philip Denomination Church Of England Diocese Liverpool Residence Liverpool, St Philip Spouse's first name(s) John Oswald Spouse's last name Cannon Spouse's marital status Bachelor Spouse's residence Liverpool, St Philip Witness 1 Jane Bell Witness 2 Isaac Gambles County Lancashire Country England Licence or banns Licence Archive Liverpool Record Office Archive reference 283-PLP-3-2 Register type Marriages Register year range 1827-1833 Record set Lancashire Banns & Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, Great Britain
From image - both of this parish
a note in the margin with asterisk relating to an asterisk by the name John says - *In the Baptismal register the name john is omitted by mistake" - signed by --?--? Bowstead - Minister
======================= Cheshire Marriage Licence Bonds And Allegations 1606-1905 St Philip, Liverpool
Transcript of Agnes's record
First name(s) Agnes Last name Wasdale Birth year 1808 Marriage year 1829 Marriage date 28 Dec 1829 Parish St Philip, Liverpool Spouse's first name John Oswald Spouse's last name Cannon Bride's age 21 Bride's residence Liverpool Bride's marital status Spinster Groom's age 21 Groom's residence Liverpool Groom's occupation Mariner Groom's marital status Batchelor Place St Philip, Liverpool County Lancashire Country England Record set Cheshire Marriage Licence Bonds And Allegations 1606-1905 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages
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ErikaH
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12 Jul 2021 15:51 |
When and where did she die?
Which sites have you used in your search?
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ErikaH
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12 Jul 2021 15:53 |
Where did you look?
This is from Ancestry
Name: Agnes Greenlaw Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: 1809 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Civil Parish: St Bees Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Whitehaven County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Registration District: Whitehaven Sub-registration District: Whitehaven ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 304 Piece: 3946 Folio: 81 Page Number: 56 Household Members: Name Age Agnes Greenlaw 52 Margaret Greenlaw 17
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ErikaH
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12 Jul 2021 15:53 |
Name: Agnes Greenlaw Age: 87 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Death Registration Place: Bootle, Cumberland, United Kingdom Death Date: Jun 1893 Inferred Death Place: Cumberland, United Kingdom Volume: 10b Page: 413
Name: Agnes Greenlaw Death Date: 22 Jun 1893 Death Place: Cumberland, England Probate Date: 19 Nov 1894 Probate Registry: Carlisle Probate to Margaret Quiggin Polglase (wife of John)
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Tawny
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12 Jul 2021 15:54 |
Thank you for finding Agnes’ first marriage.
I think she died in 1893 in Bootle, Cumberland but am waiting on the certificate to confirm.
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Tawny
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12 Jul 2021 15:56 |
Thank you for finding her on the 1861 census and confirming her death.
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ErikaH
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12 Jul 2021 15:59 |
From familysearch site - FREE
John Polglase Head Male 45 Cornwall, England Margaret Polglase Wife Female 46 Cumberland, England John Polglase Son Male 14 Cumberland, England William Polglase Son Male 13 Cumberland, England Margaret Polglase Daughter Female 10 Cumberland, England Agnes Polglase Daughter Female 9 Milton, Cumberland, England Agnes Greenlaw Mother In Law Female 82 St Bees, Cumberland, England Mary Reay Servant Female 15 Cumberland, England
England and Wales Census, 1891
1881 is also on there
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greyghost
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12 Jul 2021 16:00 |
?? England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Transcript of Oswald's record
First name(s) Oswald Last name Cannon Gender Male Birth year 1808 Birth place - Baptism year 1808 Baptism date 18 Sep 1808 Place Whitehaven County Cumberland Country England Father's first name(s) Thos. Father's last name Cannon Mother's first name(s) Sarah Mother's last name - Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, Great Britain
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ErikaH
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12 Jul 2021 16:02 |
Name: John Polglase Sex: Male Father's Name: John Polglase Father's Sex: Male Spouse's Name: Margaret Quiggin Greenlaw Spouse's Sex: Female Spouse's Father's Name: William Greenlaw Marriage Date: 30 Jun 1875 Marriage Place: Millom, Cumberland, England, United Kingdom Marriage Place (Original): Millom, Cumberland, England
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ErikaH
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12 Jul 2021 16:05 |
FMP's version of 1861
Bardy Well Lane, St Bees, Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Agnes Greenwin Head Unmarried Female 52 1809 Assist in shop Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Margaret Greenwin Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1844 - Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
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Tawny
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12 Jul 2021 16:24 |
Thank you finding Margaret on the 1881 census, The christening of Agnes’ first husband and Margaret’s marriage.
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ErikaH
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12 Jul 2021 19:29 |
I previously gave you Margaret's marriage on your thread in August 2020
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Tawny
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12 Jul 2021 20:51 |
Thank you. I’ll look for the thread again
Checked
I do have Margaret’s marriage in my tree along with her sister Eleanor/Ellanor/Ellenor’s marriage to Andrew Connelly.
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ArgyllGran
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12 Jul 2021 21:22 |
The earlier thread:
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1386604
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Tawny
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12 Jul 2021 22:08 |
It is the same family. John Gorman is Margaret’s nephew by marriage. John Gorman is the son in law of Margaret’s sister Eleanor and her husband Andrew Connelly.
John Gorman’s wife Agnes is the granddaughter of Agnes Greenlaw (Wasdale)
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