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6 Jul 2021 18:10 |
Can anyone give me a bit more info from the 1911 for these people
Thomas Stocks age 37 Lily Stocks 26 Dorothy Stocks 12 Beatrice Stocks 11 Alice Stocks 8 Catherine Stocks 7 Lily Stocks 3 Violet Stocks 2 Alfred Foster 23
I believe Thomas Stocks Married Lily Foster and Alfred Foster is her brother. Lily is too young to be the mother of some of these children so is she as step mother? Was Thomas married before? There are also some British Army pension records for Thomas with some of these children.
Any help much appreciated
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6 Jul 2021 18:30 |
Thomas Stocks in the 1911 England Census Name: Thomas Stocks Age in 1911: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Town of Peterborough Civil Parish: Watford Country: England Street Address: 64 Brightwell Road, Watford Marital status: Married Occupation: Urban District Council Labourer Registration District Number: 140 Sub-registration District: Watford ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Piece: 7716 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Stocks 37 Lily Stocks 26 Dorothy Stocks 12 Beatrice Stocks 11 Alice Stocks 8 Catherine Stocks 7 Lily Stocks 3 Violet Stocks 2 Alfred Foster 23
All born in Watford, except Thomas, who was born in Peterborough.
Thomas and Lily had been married for 7 years
Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%) FOSTER Lily Watford 3a 1328 STOCKS Thomas Watford 3a 1328
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6 Jul 2021 18:38 |
from fmp
64 Brightwell Road Watford, Watford Urban, Hertfordshire, England View original record
1854 57 Thomas Town of Peterborough Married Urban district council labourer Head Stocks Male 1885 26 Lily Watford Parish Married - Wife Stocks Female 1899 12 Dorothy Watford Parish - - Daughter Stocks Female 1900 11 Beatrice Watford Parish - - Daughter Stocks Female 1903 8 Alice Watford Parish - - Daughter Stocks Female 1904 7 Catherine Watford Parish - - Daughter Stocks Female 1908 3 Lily Watford Parish - - Daughter Stocks Female 1909 2 Violet Watford Parish - - Daughter Stocks Female 1888 23 Alfred Watford Parish Single Brass finisher Boarder Foster Male
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6 Jul 2021 18:40 |
STOCKS, VIOLET mmn FOSTER GRO Reference: 1909 M Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 839
STOCKS, LILY EDITH mmn FORSTER GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 818
?? FOSTER, CATHERINE LYDIA - GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 806
?? FOSTER, ALICE GEORGINA - GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 753
STOCKS, BEATRICE mmn SAMMER GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 681
STOCKS, EMILY DOROTHY mmn SAMMS GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 670
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6 Jul 2021 18:44 |
John Y Stocks in the 1901 England Census Name: John Y Stocks Age: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Fanny E Stocks Birth Place: Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England Civil Parish: Watford Ecclesiastical parish: Watford St Mary County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Registration District: Watford Sub-registration District: Watford ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: Piece: 1317 Folio: 82 Page Number: 30 Household Schedule Number: 201 Household Members: Name Age John Y Stocks 44 [ John T on image ] Fanny E Stocks 31 - Watford Emily D Stocks 2 Beatrice Stocks 1
Address: 3 Cross Street
?? Fanny Stocks in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Fanny Stocks Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Death Registration Place: St Albans, Hertfordshire, United Kingdom Death Date: Mar 1902 Inferred Death Place: Hertfordshire, United Kingdom Volume: 3a Page: 465
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6 Jul 2021 18:51 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Brightwell Road, Watford Urban, Watford, Hertfordshire, England William Smith Head Married Male 39 1862 Water cress cutter Redbourne, Hertfordshire, England Lydia Smith Wife Married Female 53 1848 - Kings Langley, Hertfordshire, England Lily Foster Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Croxley mill hand Abbots Langley, Hertfordshire, England ------------------ William Smith Son Single Male 16 1885 Milk trade Redbourne, Hertfordshire, England Alfred Foster Son Single Male 14 1887 Watercress cutter Abbots Langley, Hertfordshire, England ---------------------------- Ernest Smith Son Single Male 12 1889 - Croxley Green, Hertfordshire, England Sydney Foster Son Single Male 11 1890 - Kings Langley, Hertfordshire, England May Smith Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - Watford, Hertfordshire, England Albert Smith Son - Male 1 1900 - Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Name: Lydia Foster Registration Year: 1900 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Watford Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Hertfordshire Volume: 3a Page: 1248 Records on Page: Name Lydia Foster Eunice Kate Simons William Smith ------------------ Joseph Timberlake
1891 Lydia Foster Gender: Female Age: 44 Relationship: Wife Birth Year: 1847 Spouse: Alfred Foster Child: Annie Foster George Foster Lily Foster Alfred Foster Sydney Foster Birth Place: Kings Langley, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Kings Langley Ecclesiastical parish: Kings Langley Residence Place: Kings Langley, Kings Langley, Hertfordshire, England Registration District: Hemel Hempstead Sub registration district: Kings Langley ED, Institution or Vessel: 5 Neighbors: Piece: 1123 Folio: 49 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Foster 51 Lydia Foster 44 Annie Foster 18 George Foster 11 Lily Foster 6 Alfred Foster 5 Sydney Foster 1
Name: Alfred Foster Registration Year: 1884 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration District: Watford Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Hertfordshire Volume: 3a Page: 513 Records on Page: Name Alfred Foster Lydia Palmer
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6 Jul 2021 18:52 |
Emily Dorothy Stocks in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Emily Dorothy Stocks Gender: Female Baptism Date: 29 Jul 1898 Baptism Place: St. Mary's, Watford, Hertford, England Father: John Thomas Stocks Mother: Fanny Edith FHL Film Number: 1537916 Reference ID: item 1 p 53
I can't see a marriage for John Thomas and Fanny Edith
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6 Jul 2021 19:09 |
Fanny Edith Last name Samms Birth quarter 3 Birth year 1875 Mother's maiden name - District Watford County Hertfordshire
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Court 8, 1, Watford, Hertfordshire, England Henry Samms Head Married Male 36 1845 General labourer Watford, Hertfordshire, England Emma Samms Wife Married Female 28 1853 - Shenley, Hertfordshire, England Fanny E Samms Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Watford, Hertfordshire, England Edith C Samms Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Watford, Hertfordshire, England Ellen L Samms Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Watford, Hertfordshire, England
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6 Jul 2021 20:21 |
Thank you all so much for the info which I am trying to get my head round
So Thomas was also known as John T. He may have been married to Fanny Samms? but I can't see a marriage.
Your help is much appreciated
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6 Jul 2021 21:20 |
SAMMS, FANNY EDITH mmn LUCK GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in WATFORD UNION Volume 03A Page 412
Parents' marriage:
Marriages Jun 1875 (>99%) Luck Emma Watford 3a 488 Samms Henry Watford 3a 488
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6 Jul 2021 21:37 |
Also I'm a bit confused on Thomas/John DOB which is either 1857 on the 1901 or 1874 on the 1911.
Any thoughts?
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6 Jul 2021 21:53 |
Re the age discrepancy for JT between 1901 and 1911 -
On close inspection of the 1911 image, his age could be 57, but mistranscribed as 37.
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6 Jul 2021 21:53 |
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John T Stocks in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: John T Stocks Death Age: 75 Birth Date: abt 1857 Registration Date: Jan 1932[Feb 1932] [Mar 1932] Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration District: Hatfield Inferred County: Hertfordshire Volume: 3a Page: 1224
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Thomas Stocks in the 1871 England Census Name: Thomas Stocks Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: 1858 Relation: Son Gender: Male Where born: Poro Northamptonshire England Civil parish: Peterborough St John the Baptist Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Marys County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Registration district: Peterborough Sub-registration district: Peterborough ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Household schedule number: 142 Piece: 1517 Folio: 40 Page number: 26 Household Members Age Relationship William Stocks 46 Head Sarah Stocks 47 Wife Thomas Stocks 13 Son William Stocks 7 Son
His parents had had an earlier son of the same name:
STOCKS, THOMAS mmn WOODWARD GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in PETERBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 223
STOCKS, THOMAS mmn WOODWARD GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in PETERBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 226
Baptism of the first child:
Thomas Stocks in the Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912 Name: Thomas Stocks Age: 0 Birth Date: Abt 1856 Baptism Date: 17 Mar 1856 Baptism Place: Peterborough, St John, Northamptonshire, England Parish as it Appears: Peterborough Register Type: Parish Registers Father: Wm Christians Stocks Mother: Sarah Stocks
and his death:
STOCKS, THOMAS 0 GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in PETERBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 132
Marriages Jun 1852 (>99%) Stocks William Christmas Peterborough 3b 391 Woodward Lally Peterborough 3b 391 Woodward Sally Peterborough 3b 391
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6 Jul 2021 22:03 |
Hmmm -
but there is also this birth:
STOCKS, JOHN THOMAS mmn AVELING GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in PETERBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 231
Marriages Mar 1877 (>99%) AVELING Alice Peterbro' 3b 301 STOCKS William Peterbro' 3b 301
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6 Jul 2021 22:03 |
Argyll Gran - thank you so much for taking a closer look at the 1911. That's really helped.
Just off to digest all the other info.
Much appreciated
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6 Jul 2021 22:10 |
Re my last post, giving an 1875 birth -
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John Stocks in the 1881 England Census Name: John Stocks Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relationship to Head: Son Father: William Stocks Mother: Alice Stocks Gender: Male Where born: Peterboro, Northamptonshire, England Civil Parish: Peterborough County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Street Address: Whitsed St 3 Neals Cottages Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration District: Peterborough ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: Piece: 1592 Folio: 97 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age William Stocks 37 Alice Stocks 43 Mary Stocks 13 Sarah Stocks 11 Alice Stocks 9 George Stocks 7 John Stocks 5 James Stocks 3
Ah. thank goodness!
This looks like that man in 1911, so not the same as your Thomas:
John Thomas Stocks in the 1911 England Census Name: John Thomas Stocks Age in 1911: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Peterborough, Northamptonshire Civil Parish: Peterborough Country: England Street Address: 121 Harris Street Peterborough Marital status: Married Occupation: G P R Fireman stoker Registration District Number: 170 Sub-registration District: Peterborough ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Piece: 8692 Household Members: Name Age John Thomas Stocks 35 Kate Stocks 36
John Thomas Stocks in the Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1912 Name: John Thomas Stocks Gender: Male Age: 27 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1876 Marriage Date: 13 Apr 1903 Marriage Place: Paston, Northamptonshire, England Register Type: Parish Registers Parish as it Appears: Paston Father: William Stocks Spouse: Kate Maud Ives Lawson
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7 Jul 2021 11:38 |
Name: Thomas Stocks Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: 1858 Relation: Son Gender: Male Where born: Poro Northamptonshire England Civil parish: Peterborough St John the Baptist Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Marys County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Registration district: Peterborough Sub-registration district: Peterborough ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Household schedule number: 142 Piece: 1517 Folio: 40 Page number: 26 Household Members Age Relationship William Stocks 46 Head Sarah Stocks 47 Wife Thomas Stocks 13 Son William Stocks 7 Son
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census St John Street Edis Lane, St John the Baptist, Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England View original record Household members (4 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Stocks Head - Male 46 1825 - Northamptonshire, England Sarah Stocks Wife - Female 47 1824 - Northamptonshire, England Thomas Stocks Son - Male 13 1858 - Northamptonshire, England William Stocks Son - Male 7 1864 - Northamptonshire, Englan
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7 Jul 2021 11:59 |
Name: Sarah Stocks Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Death Registration Place: Peterborough, Northamptonshire, United Kingdom Death Date: Dec 1888 Inferred Death Place: Northamptonshire, United Kingdom Volume: 3b Page: 130
Name: William Stocks Age: 68 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Death Registration Place: Peterborough, Northamptonshire, United Kingdom Death Date: Mar 1894 Inferred Death Place: Northamptonshire, United Kingdom Volume: 3b Page: 177
STOCKS, WILLIAM WOODWARD GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in PETERBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 200
William Stocks Gender: Male Age: 27 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1863 Marriage Date: 4 Jan 1890 Marriage Place: Peterborough, St Mary, Northamptonshire, England Register Type: Parish Registers Parish as it Appears: Peterborough, St Mary Search Photos: Search for 'Peterborough, St Mary' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Father: William Stocks ------- a labourer Spouse: Mary Elizabeth Mitchell
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