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1911 Help Please Thomas Stocks

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Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 6 Jul 2021 18:10

Can anyone give me a bit more info from the 1911 for these people

Thomas Stocks age 37
Lily Stocks 26
Dorothy Stocks 12
Beatrice Stocks 11
Alice Stocks 8
Catherine Stocks 7
Lily Stocks 3
Violet Stocks 2
Alfred Foster 23

I believe Thomas Stocks Married Lily Foster and Alfred Foster is her brother.
Lily is too young to be the mother of some of these children so is she as step mother? Was Thomas married before? There are also some British Army pension records for Thomas with some of these children.

Any help much appreciated

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Jul 2021 18:30

Thomas Stocks
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Thomas Stocks
Age in 1911: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Town of Peterborough
Civil Parish: Watford
Country: England
Street Address: 64 Brightwell Road, Watford
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Urban District Council Labourer
Registration District Number: 140
Sub-registration District: Watford
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Piece: 7716
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Stocks 37
Lily Stocks 26
Dorothy Stocks 12
Beatrice Stocks 11
Alice Stocks 8
Catherine Stocks 7
Lily Stocks 3
Violet Stocks 2
Alfred Foster 23


All born in Watford, except Thomas, who was born in Peterborough.

Thomas and Lily had been married for 7 years


Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%)
FOSTER Lily Watford 3a 1328
STOCKS Thomas Watford 3a 1328

Maddie

Maddie Report 6 Jul 2021 18:38

from fmp

64 Brightwell Road Watford, Watford Urban, Hertfordshire, England
View original record

1854 57 Thomas Town of Peterborough Married Urban district council labourer Head
Stocks Male
1885 26 Lily Watford Parish Married - Wife
Stocks Female
1899 12 Dorothy Watford Parish - - Daughter
Stocks Female
1900 11 Beatrice Watford Parish - - Daughter
Stocks Female
1903 8 Alice Watford Parish - - Daughter
Stocks Female
1904 7 Catherine Watford Parish - - Daughter
Stocks Female
1908 3 Lily Watford Parish - - Daughter
Stocks Female
1909 2 Violet Watford Parish - - Daughter
Stocks Female
1888 23 Alfred Watford Parish Single Brass finisher Boarder
Foster Male

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Jul 2021 18:40

STOCKS, VIOLET mmn FOSTER
GRO Reference: 1909 M Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 839

STOCKS, LILY EDITH mmn FORSTER
GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 818

??
FOSTER, CATHERINE LYDIA -
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 806

??
FOSTER, ALICE GEORGINA -
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 753


STOCKS, BEATRICE mmn SAMMER
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 681

STOCKS, EMILY DOROTHY mmn SAMMS
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 670

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Jul 2021 18:44

John Y Stocks
in the 1901 England Census
Name: John Y Stocks
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Fanny E Stocks
Birth Place: Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish: Watford
Ecclesiastical parish: Watford St Mary
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration District: Watford
Sub-registration District: Watford
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors:
Piece: 1317
Folio: 82
Page Number: 30
Household Schedule Number: 201
Household Members:
Name Age
John Y Stocks 44 [ John T on image ]
Fanny E Stocks 31 - Watford
Emily D Stocks 2
Beatrice Stocks 1

Address: 3 Cross Street


??
Fanny Stocks
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Fanny Stocks
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration Place: St Albans, Hertfordshire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Mar 1902
Inferred Death Place: Hertfordshire, United Kingdom
Volume: 3a
Page: 465

Maddie

Maddie Report 6 Jul 2021 18:51

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Brightwell Road, Watford Urban, Watford, Hertfordshire, England

William Smith Head
Married Male 39 1862 Water cress cutter Redbourne, Hertfordshire, England
Lydia Smith Wife
Married Female 53 1848 - Kings Langley, Hertfordshire, England
Lily Foster Daughter
Single Female 17 1884 Croxley mill hand Abbots Langley, Hertfordshire, England ------------------
William Smith Son
Single Male 16 1885 Milk trade Redbourne, Hertfordshire, England
Alfred Foster Son
Single Male 14 1887 Watercress cutter Abbots Langley, Hertfordshire, England ----------------------------
Ernest Smith Son
Single Male 12 1889 - Croxley Green, Hertfordshire, England
Sydney Foster Son
Single Male 11 1890 - Kings Langley, Hertfordshire, England
May Smith Daughter
Single Female 8 1893 - Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Albert Smith Son
- Male 1 1900 - Watford, Hertfordshire, England

Name: Lydia Foster
Registration Year: 1900
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Watford
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 1248
Records on Page:
Name
Lydia Foster
Eunice Kate Simons
William Smith ------------------
Joseph Timberlake

1891
Lydia Foster
Gender: Female
Age: 44
Relationship: Wife
Birth Year: 1847
Spouse: Alfred Foster
Child: Annie Foster
George Foster
Lily Foster
Alfred Foster
Sydney Foster
Birth Place: Kings Langley, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Kings Langley
Ecclesiastical parish: Kings Langley
Residence Place: Kings Langley, Kings Langley, Hertfordshire, England
Registration District: Hemel Hempstead
Sub registration district: Kings Langley
ED, Institution or Vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Piece: 1123
Folio: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Foster 51
Lydia Foster 44
Annie Foster 18
George Foster 11
Lily Foster 6
Alfred Foster 5
Sydney Foster 1

Name: Alfred Foster
Registration Year: 1884
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Watford
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 513
Records on Page:
Name
Alfred Foster
Lydia Palmer

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Jul 2021 18:52

Emily Dorothy Stocks
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Emily Dorothy Stocks
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 29 Jul 1898
Baptism Place: St. Mary's, Watford, Hertford, England
Father: John Thomas Stocks
Mother: Fanny Edith
FHL Film Number: 1537916
Reference ID: item 1 p 53


I can't see a marriage for John Thomas and Fanny Edith

Maddie

Maddie Report 6 Jul 2021 19:09

Fanny Edith
Last name Samms
Birth quarter 3
Birth year 1875
Mother's maiden name -
District Watford
County Hertfordshire

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Court 8, 1, Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Henry Samms Head
Married Male 36 1845 General labourer Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Emma Samms Wife
Married Female 28 1853 - Shenley, Hertfordshire, England
Fanny E Samms Daughter
Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Edith C Samms Daughter
Single Female 4 1877 - Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Ellen L Samms Daughter
Single Female 0 1881 - Watford, Hertfordshire, England

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 6 Jul 2021 20:21

Thank you all so much for the info which I am trying to get my head round

So Thomas was also known as John T. He may have been married to Fanny Samms? but I can't see a marriage.

Your help is much appreciated

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Jul 2021 21:20

SAMMS, FANNY EDITH mmn LUCK
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in WATFORD UNION Volume 03A Page 412


Parents' marriage:

Marriages Jun 1875 (>99%)
Luck Emma Watford 3a 488
Samms Henry Watford 3a 488

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 6 Jul 2021 21:37

Also I'm a bit confused on Thomas/John DOB which is either 1857 on the 1901 or 1874 on the 1911.

Any thoughts?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Jul 2021 21:53

Re the age discrepancy for JT between 1901 and 1911 -

On close inspection of the 1911 image, his age could be 57, but mistranscribed as 37.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Jul 2021 21:53

??

John T Stocks
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: John T Stocks
Death Age: 75
Birth Date: abt 1857
Registration Date: Jan 1932[Feb 1932] [Mar 1932]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Hatfield
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 1224


??

Thomas Stocks
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Thomas Stocks
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: 1858
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Poro Northamptonshire England
Civil parish: Peterborough St John the Baptist
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Marys
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Peterborough
Sub-registration district: Peterborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 142
Piece: 1517
Folio: 40
Page number: 26
Household Members Age Relationship
William Stocks 46 Head
Sarah Stocks 47 Wife
Thomas Stocks 13 Son
William Stocks 7 Son


His parents had had an earlier son of the same name:

STOCKS, THOMAS mmn WOODWARD
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in PETERBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 223

STOCKS, THOMAS mmn WOODWARD
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in PETERBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 226


Baptism of the first child:

Thomas Stocks
in the Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912
Name: Thomas Stocks
Age: 0
Birth Date: Abt 1856
Baptism Date: 17 Mar 1856
Baptism Place: Peterborough, St John, Northamptonshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Peterborough
Register Type: Parish Registers
Father: Wm Christians Stocks
Mother: Sarah Stocks

and his death:

STOCKS, THOMAS 0
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in PETERBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 132



Marriages Jun 1852 (>99%)
Stocks William Christmas Peterborough 3b 391
Woodward Lally Peterborough 3b 391
Woodward Sally Peterborough 3b 391

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Jul 2021 22:03

Hmmm -

but there is also this birth:

STOCKS, JOHN THOMAS mmn AVELING
GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in PETERBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 231


Marriages Mar 1877 (>99%)
AVELING Alice Peterbro' 3b 301
STOCKS William Peterbro' 3b 301

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 6 Jul 2021 22:03

Argyll Gran - thank you so much for taking a closer look at the 1911. That's really helped.

Just off to digest all the other info.

Much appreciated

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Jul 2021 22:10

Re my last post, giving an 1875 birth -

??

John Stocks
in the 1881 England Census
Name: John Stocks
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: William Stocks
Mother: Alice Stocks
Gender: Male
Where born: Peterboro, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street Address: Whitsed St 3 Neals Cottages
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Peterborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors:
Piece: 1592
Folio: 97
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stocks 37
Alice Stocks 43
Mary Stocks 13
Sarah Stocks 11
Alice Stocks 9
George Stocks 7
John Stocks 5
James Stocks 3


Ah. thank goodness!

This looks like that man in 1911, so not the same as your Thomas:

John Thomas Stocks
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Thomas Stocks
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Peterborough, Northamptonshire
Civil Parish: Peterborough
Country: England
Street Address: 121 Harris Street Peterborough
Marital status: Married
Occupation: G P R Fireman stoker
Registration District Number: 170
Sub-registration District: Peterborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Piece: 8692
Household Members:
Name Age
John Thomas Stocks 35
Kate Stocks 36



John Thomas Stocks
in the Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1912
Name: John Thomas Stocks
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1876
Marriage Date: 13 Apr 1903
Marriage Place: Paston, Northamptonshire, England
Register Type: Parish Registers
Parish as it Appears: Paston
Father: William Stocks
Spouse: Kate Maud Ives Lawson

Maddie

Maddie Report 7 Jul 2021 11:38



Name: Thomas Stocks
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: 1858
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Poro Northamptonshire England
Civil parish: Peterborough St John the Baptist
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Marys
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Peterborough
Sub-registration district: Peterborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 142
Piece: 1517
Folio: 40
Page number: 26
Household Members Age Relationship
William Stocks
46 Head
Sarah Stocks
47 Wife
Thomas Stocks 13 Son
William Stocks
7 Son

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
St John Street Edis Lane, St John the Baptist, Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England
View original record
Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Stocks Head
- Male 46 1825 - Northamptonshire, England
Sarah Stocks Wife
- Female 47 1824 - Northamptonshire, England
Thomas Stocks Son
- Male 13 1858 - Northamptonshire, England
William Stocks Son
- Male 7 1864 - Northamptonshire, Englan

Maddie

Maddie Report 7 Jul 2021 11:59

Name: Sarah Stocks
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Death Registration Place: Peterborough, Northamptonshire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Dec 1888
Inferred Death Place: Northamptonshire, United Kingdom
Volume: 3b
Page: 130

Name: William Stocks
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration Place: Peterborough, Northamptonshire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Mar 1894
Inferred Death Place: Northamptonshire, United Kingdom
Volume: 3b
Page: 177

STOCKS, WILLIAM WOODWARD
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in PETERBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 200

William Stocks
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1863
Marriage Date: 4 Jan 1890
Marriage Place: Peterborough, St Mary, Northamptonshire, England
Register Type: Parish Registers
Parish as it Appears: Peterborough, St Mary
Search Photos: Search for 'Peterborough, St Mary' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: William Stocks ------- a labourer
Spouse: Mary Elizabeth Mitchell