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12 Jun 2021 21:00 |
Can anyone tell me how to find a Canadian birth certificate please?
Marriage and death certificates in the UK state that DAVID GEORGE JONES was born on 22nd September 1907 in Montresse (? transcription / spelling error for Montrose) Canada.
By 1911 it appears that the family are in Porthcawl South Wales with mother Mary Annie Jones (nee Morgan) and father George Henry Jones
BUT I cannot locate a birth record or confirmation of travel back to the UK..
All and any suggestions very much appreciated.
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ErikaH
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12 Jun 2021 22:11 |
Surely UK marriage certs don’t have birthplace info.
What does 1911 say about his birthplace?
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12 Jun 2021 22:37 |
George David Jones in 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales 3 Star Cottages South Road Porthcawl, Newton Nottage, Glamorganshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Henry Jones Head Married Male 42 1869 Masons labourer Longtown Herefordshire Mary Annie Jones Wife Married Female 34 1877 - Glam Swansea George David Jones Son - Male 3 1908 - Canada Montrense Bertha Phillis Jones Daughter - Female 0 1911 - Glam Porthcawl
Original looks more like ?Montreuse, google suggests Montrose in British Columbia
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ArgyllGran
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12 Jun 2021 22:58 |
JONES, BERTHA PHYLLIS mmn MORGAN GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 944
George Henry Jones in the Glamorganshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1570-1994 Name: George Henry Jones [ checker on the G W Railway ] Gender: Male Marriage Age: 28 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: 1870 Marriage Date: 8 Mar 1898 Marriage Place: Newton Nottage, Glamorganshire, Wales Father: Thomas Jones, labourer Spouse: Mary Annie Morgan <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Page number: 152
Mary Annie's father: David Morgan, occupation something ending in "-aker".
Witnesses: Edward Evan Jones and Margaret Ann Williams.
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ArgyllGran
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12 Jun 2021 23:17 |
In 1911 census, "Montreuse" is written in ink, on top of " Montreal" in pencil.
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Agee
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12 Jun 2021 23:25 |
Thank you all - just back on line and reading through replies. Will respond shortly.
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Agee
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12 Jun 2021 23:29 |
Thank you - all hints really helpful as they confirm what I found in 1911 census. but I am struggling to know how to confirm his birth in Canada. Is there anyway I can view / research there?
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ArgyllGran
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12 Jun 2021 23:44 |
His birth may not be online (I certainly can't see it) - Canada is strict about how long records remain unavailable online.
Advice here on Canadian records: https://www.cyndislist.com/canada/bmd/
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13 Jun 2021 15:13 |
ArgyllGran thank you very much
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Maddie
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14 Jun 2021 12:09 |
there seems to be no travel records for his parents to or from canada
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ErikaH
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14 Jun 2021 12:29 |
Where are the parents in 1901?
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jun 2021 15:17 |
Different POB for George, but same occupation as at marriage.
Geo Jones in the 1901 Wales Census Name: Geo Jones Age in 1901: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation: Head Spouse: Mary A Jones Gender: Male Where born: Goviton, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish: Abersychan Town: Snatchwood Ecclesiastical parish: Pontnewynydd St Luke County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street Address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration District: Pontypool Sub-registration District: Pontypool ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 90 Piece: 4945 Folio: 134 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Geo Jones 30 - checker with G W R Mary A Jones 24 - Swansea Maggie Morgan 3 - sister-in-law, Porthcawl.
??? MORGAN, MARGARET - GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 832
EDIT:
NO, not that birth. See next post for correct one.
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jun 2021 15:43 |
Young Maggie in 1911 with her parents (who are, of course, also Mary Annie's parents):
Maggie Morgan in the 1911 Wales Census Name: Maggie Morgan Age in 1911: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Porthcawl, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish: Swansea County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street Address: 48 Colbourne Terrace Swansea Marital status: Single Occupation: Schoolgirl Registration District: Swansea Registration District Number: 594 Sub-registration District: Swansea ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Household Schedule Number: 339 Piece: 32788 Household Members: Name Age David Morgan 56 Mary J Morgan 57 Nell Morgan 24 Gertrude Morgan 19 Eva Morgan 17 Wallace Morgan 15 Maggie Morgan 13
Maggie's birth:
MORGAN, BERTHA MAGGIE mmn STEPHENS GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 840
MORGAN, EVA mmn STEPHENS GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in SWANSEA Volume 11A Page 1019
MORGAN, GEORGE WALLACE mmn TEPHENS GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 812
MORGAN, GERTRUDE mmn STEPHENS GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in SWANSEA Volume 11A Page 916
Mary Annie with parents and siblings:
David Morgan in the 1891 Wales Census Name: David Morgan Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary J Morgan Gender: Male Where born: Newton Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish: Swansea Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark Town: Swansea County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street Address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration District: Swansea Sub registration district: Swansea ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: Piece: 4481 Folio: 20 Page Number: 36 Household Members: Name Age David Morgan 36 Mary J Morgan 37 Mary A Morgan 14 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Henry J Morgan 12 William Morgan 8 Nellie Morgan 4
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ErikaH
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14 Jun 2021 15:46 |
Name: George Jones Age: 27 Birth Date: 19 Jun 1869 Residence Date: 9 Jul 1896 Station: Porth Company: Great Western Description: Register and histories of traffic staff at stations in Wales 1871-1903
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jun 2021 15:51 |
No help with Canada - but posting for the record:
George H Jones in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: George H Jones Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 19 Jun 1869 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 78 Residence Place: Porthcawl, Glamorganshire, Wales Occupation: Lamplighter Line Number: 41 Schedule Number: 265 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: XJZC Borough: Porthcawl Registration district: 591/2 Inferred Spouse: Mary A Jones Inferred Children: Wallace H Jones Household Members Age George H Jones 70 Mary A Jones 94 - [mistranscribed. Age 64 - DOB 1 Feb 1875 ] Wallace H Jones 19
Births Jun 1920 (>99%) Jones Wallace H Morgan Bridgend 11a 2134
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jun 2021 16:06 |
??? Maybe ?? But George Jones is a very common name.
Mrs George Jones in the Canada, Arriving Passengers Lists, 1865-1935 Name: Mrs George Jones Gender: Female Arrival Age: 34 [ looks like 30 to me ] Birth Year: abt 1871 Departure Port: Liverpool, England Arrival Date: 23 Jul 1905 Arrival Port: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Vessel: Kensington
Travelling with husband George, general labourer, age 31? [ 37? ] Both from Glamorgan. Destination: Toronto.
Transcription says "Mrs", but it's unclear on image - could be Mary or M A.
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Agee
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18 Aug 2021 17:16 |
Thank you all so much for the advice and assistance. I will follow up.
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