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5 Jun 2021 21:20 |
Thank you all for your hard work, its very kind of you all Best Wishes Chris
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5 Jun 2021 18:34 |
We can rule out the 1877 child - he's still in Cannock in 1939:
William H Adams in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: William H Adams Gender: Male Marital Status: Widow Birth Date: 22 Feb 1877 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 43 Mill St Residence Place: Cannock, Staffordshire, England Occupation: Council Labourer Line Number: 35 Schedule Number: 262 Sub Schedule Number: 4 Enumeration District: ORKI Borough: Cannock Registration district: 368/5 Household Members Age Samuel Coates 33 Florence M Coates 29 Kenneth B Coates 2 William H Adams 62 John W Adams 27 Gertrude E Adams 21
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5 Jun 2021 18:32 |
Marriage of parents of 1873 child above:
Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%) Adams Henry Penkridge 6b 625 Allsopp Jane Penkridge 6b 625
William H. Adams in the 1881 England Census Name: William H. Adams Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relationship to Head: Son Father: Henry Adams Mother: Jane Adams Gender: Male Where born: Bushbury, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Bushbury County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address: Holmes Cottage Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration District: Cannock ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: Piece: 2782 Folio: 35 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age Henry Adams 31 Jane Adams 29 William H. Adams 8 Mary E. Adams 6 Clara Adams 4 Arthur Adams 2 Frederick W. Allsopp 20
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5 Jun 2021 18:24 |
Possibly Maria's brother William in 1881 - doesn't seem likely to have become a service engineer or foreman by 1920s:
William Adams in the 1881 England Census Name: William Adams Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relationship to Head: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Brewood, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Brewood County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address: Gunstone Cottage Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Cowman (A L) Registration District: Cannock ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: Piece: 2781 Folio: 65 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age William Turner 59 Mary Turner 57 William Adams 20
If William H was perhaps a cousin, there are lots of possible births in Staffordshire alone. - particularly these three:
ADAMS, WILLIAM HENRY mmn ALLSOPP GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in PENKRIDGE Volume 06B Page 471
ADAMS, WILLIAM HENRY mmn WINFER GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in CANNOCK Volume 06B Page 517
ADAMS, WILLIAM HENRY - GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in CANNOCK Volume 06B Page 508
But of course he may have been born elswhere.
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5 Jun 2021 18:12 |
Probably Maria's father John in 1841:
John Adams in the 1841 England Census Name: John Adams Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825 Gender: Male Where born: Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Shareshill Hundred: East Cuttlestone County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: View image Registration District: Penkridge Sub-registration District: Cannock Neighbors: Piece: 973 Book: 21 Folio: 4 Page Number: 19 Household Members: Name Age John Adams 16 William Hall 14 Anne Cope 17
??? John Adams England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: John Adams Sex: Male Christening Date: 23 Oct 1822 Christening Place: Shareshill, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom Christening Place (Original): Shareshill, Stafford, England Father's Name: Stephen Adams Father's Sex: Male Mother's Name: Hannah Mother's Sex: Female
Baptisms of siblings in Shareshill:
Hannah 1828 Elizabeth 1830 Robert 1833 Jane 1835
Also possibly others in Brewood:
Ann 1819 James 1820 (died 1824) Stephen 1825 George 1838 William 1843
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ArgyllGran
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5 Jun 2021 17:35 |
For our reference -
this is Thomas Smith's marriage - address 33 Harvie Avenue:
Thomas Smith in the Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1826-1938 Name: Thomas Smith Age: 40 Birth Year: abt 1887 Birth Place: England Marriage Date: 25 Oct 1927 Marriage Place: York, Ontario, Canada Father: Leonard Smith - born England Mother: Maria Adams Spouse: Susan Maude Kerr
Marriages Mar 1886 ADAMS Maria Cannock 6b 564 Smith Leonard Cannock 6b 564
Maria Adams in the Staffordshire, England, Birth, Marriage and Death Indexes, 1837-2017 Name: Maria Adams Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 1886 Marriage Church: St Mary Marriage Place: Shareshill, Staffordshire, England Registration District: South Staffordshire Spouse: Leonard Smith
Maria Adams in the 1881 England Census Name: Maria Adams Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relationship to Head: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Coven, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Shareshill and Hilton County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address: Main Road The Ostre House Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Servant (Dom) Registration District: Cannock ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: Piece: 2787 Folio: 111 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Emma Adcock 50 Edward F.F. Bougher 50 Allice Ford 20 Maria Adams 19
Maria Adams in the 1871 England Census Name: Maria Adams Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: 1862 Relation: Daughter Gender: Female Where born: Lackes Staffordshire England Civil parish: Shareshill Ecclesiastical parish: Shareshill Town: Shareshill County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Penkridge Sub-registration district: Cannock ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Household schedule number: 70 Piece: 2926 Folio: 113 Page number: 18 Household Members Age Relationship John Adams 48 Head Maria Adams 46 Wife George Adams 20 Son Joseph Adams 15 Son William Adams 11 Son <<<<<<<< ??? Maria Adams 9 Daughter James Adams 6 Son Fanny Adams 3 Granddaughter Allice Adams 1 Granddaughter
ADAMS, MARIA mmn FELTON GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in PENKRIDGE Volume 06B Page 393
Maria's brother William has no middle name at birth reg.
ADAMS, WILLIAM mmn FELTON GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in PENKRIDGE Volume 06B Page 382
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LondonBelle
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5 Jun 2021 15:25 |
Chris, what do you know about Thomas Smith's mother whose maiden name was Adams?
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ArgyllGran
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5 Jun 2021 15:04 |
He's not at 121 Ascot Avenue in 1921 Census.
There's a family there who I can see on the image, but who don't seem to come up when searching by name.
The image is blurry, but hovering the cursor over the names it says
Osaid Emma (though it looks like David Brown to me), 39, Scotland, immigrated 1908. Kate Emma (Brown?), wife, 38, England,, immigrated 1909. Edith, daughter, 8, Ontario. Isabel, daughter, 6, Ontario Helen, daughter, 2, Ontario.
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ArgyllGran
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5 Jun 2021 13:49 |
More from Toronto City Directories:
He's still living at 33 Harvie Ave in 1929 directory:
ADAMS, Wm H, foreman, Galena-Signal Oil, [house] 33 Harvie Ave.
https://archive.org/details/torontocitydirectory1929/page/70/mode/2up
Still there in 1931, same address, still a foreman.
I don't see him in Toronto in 1932.
In 1931 Galena-Signal was absorbed by Valvoline. https://patrailsofhistory.com/historical-markers/galena-signal-oil-company
Pre-1927 - (not looking at every year )
he's at 33 Harvie Ave in 1925, foreman with Galena-signal 1920 and 1922 - foreman with Galena-Signal, living at 121 Ascot Ave.
1915 - labourer with Galena-Signal ,living at 123 (128 ?) Ascot Ave. 1914 - labourer with GS, living at 53 Hatherley road, Earlscourt. 1912 - ditto, resident Earlscourt.
I don't see him in 1911 with that or obviously similar employer.
ADDED: William H is not the William Henry or William Harold born in 1906 in the records posted as suggestions by Shirley. He's clearly older than that.
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5 Jun 2021 13:03 |
1927 Toronto City Directory -
https://archive.org/details/torontocitydirectory1927/page/n1/mode/1up
Entry under Adams (on page 54):
ADAMS, Wm H, service engineer, Galena Signal Oil Co. h [house ] 33 Harvie Ave.
Entry under Smith (on page 1032):
SMITH, Thos., clerk, Customs Dept, bds [ boards at] , 33 Harvie Ave.
Searching under surname, each person is listed alphabetically, so if there was anyone else living with William Adams it would mean looking through thousands of Adams (and other - eg - Smith) entries to find any at the same address
Entry under the street name (page 1357):
Adams, Wm H.
Only the heads of households are listed for each address when searching under street names.
EDIT: I've looked through the Adams entries - none living with William, or at least not listed.
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ErikaH
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5 Jun 2021 11:13 |
Have you researched the Adams line thoroughly?
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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5 Jun 2021 10:51 |
The voters list don’t give actual addresses
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John
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5 Jun 2021 10:48 |
Hello Forgot to say William was a service engineer with the Galena signal oil company Best Wishes Chris
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John
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5 Jun 2021 10:44 |
Hello William was the witness to the marriage of my relative Thomas Smith who was living with William in 1927. I am trying to establish the connection between the two. Thomas s mother was an Adams
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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5 Jun 2021 10:43 |
William Henry Adams Gender: Male Age: 31 Birth Year: abt 1906 Birth Place: Toronto Marriage Date: 16 Oct 1937 Marriage Place: Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada Father: Wm H. Adams Mother: Alice Adams Spouse: Audrey Mary Powell
Without further info don’t know if this the right people !
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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5 Jun 2021 10:41 |
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William Harold Adams Birth Date: 1906 Death Date: 1981 Cemetery: Greenwood Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Burlington, Halton Regional Municipality, Ontario, Canada Has Bio?: N Spouse: Audrey Adams URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/147488366/william-harold-adams
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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5 Jun 2021 10:37 |
With William H Adams bookkeeper
Mrs William H Adams Gender: Female Residence Date: 1940 Residence Place: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Electoral District: Eglinton Reference Number: M-4777
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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5 Jun 2021 10:34 |
Just as things come up
William H Adams in the Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980 View Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980 Name: William H Adams Residence Date: 1953 Residence Place: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Electoral District: Eglinton Occupation: Salesman Reference Nu
Seems to be with a mrs Audrey Adams
No actual address
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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5 Jun 2021 10:32 |
You say you know very little about him but how have you got to him ?
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John
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5 Jun 2021 10:00 |
Hello Does any kind soul have access to the 1927 Toronto city directory. I am looking for William H Adams who was living at 33 Harvie Av. Any information on William would be helpful as I know very little.
Thank you very much for any help you can give Chris
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