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the bapt posted yesterday where residence is savage leech

Baptism: 24 Nov 1776 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Layton - Son of Savage Leech & Mary Layton, Spinster
Born: 15 Nov 1776
Occupation: Draper
Baptised by: John Shewell, Curate; Wm Johnson, Church Warden
Register: Baptisms 1776 - 1779, Page 7, Entry 308
Source: LDS Film 93833

Burial: 2 Mar 1779 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Savage Leech, Gentleman -
Died: 28 Feb 1779
Abode: from Gaol
Register: Burials 1779, Page 19, Entry 70
Source: LDS Film 93833

from family search as prev posted still on there

Mary Layton
Vital • England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name Mary Layton
Sex Female
Christening Date 16 Dec 1804
Christening Place St Helens, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original) Saint Helens, Lancashire, England
Birth Date 26 Nov 1804
Father's Name Jno. Layton
Father's Sex Male
Mary Layton's Parents and Siblings
Jno. Layton
Father

Thanks for the above info. I'm not sure what's going on but I know when I typed in John Layton and his details yesterday, into familysearch, there were four entries shown right at the beginning - children John b. 1811, Hannah b. 1813 and MARY b. same as Ellen, but no Ellen shown, plus the marriage of John and Mary. After receiving your replies this morning I went back into familysearch and the entry for Mary has disappeared. All that comes up are Hannah, John and the marriage of John and Mary. I thought at first that maybe I mistook the marriage for the entry for Mary but then I realised that I had copied down the birth and baptism date given for Mary - but I've no idea what's happened to the entry so I'm sorry Erika I can't cut and paste for you.
Thanks.

brother john

1851

Old Hall, Rainhill, Prescot, Lancashire, England
View original record
Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Male
Thomas Buller
Head
Unmarried Male 63 1788 Farmer Rainhill, Lancashire, England
Male
John Layton
Servant
Unmarried Male 40 1811 Farmer labourer Sutton, Lancashire, England
Male
Richard Forshaw
Servant
Unmarried Male 14 1837 Farmer labourer Cheshire, England
Female
Catherine Lydiate ----------
Servant
Married Female 45 1806 House keeper Lancashire, England

First name(s)
Catherine
Last name
Lydiate
Name note -
Marriage year
1851
Marriage date
1851
Marriage place
St Helens
Father's first name(s)
William
Father's last name
Budworth
Spouse's first name(s)
John
Spouse's last name
Layton
Spouse's age -
Spouse's father's first name(s)
John
Spouse's father's last name
Layton
Spouse's previous spouse's last name
prev married
Residence
St Helens, Lancashire, England
County
Lancashire
Country
England
Record set
England Marriages 1538-1973


1861
3, Sidney Place, West Derby, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Male
John Layton
Head
Married Male 50 1811 Cowkeeper Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Female
Catherine Layton
Wife
Married Female 55 1806 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Female
Mary Merryman
Servant
Unmarried Female 22 1839 House servant Ireland
Male
James Cronicke
Servant
- Male 15 1846 House servant Liverpool, Lancashire, England

John
Last name
Layton
Gender
Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year
1811
Age
64
Death quarter
2
Death year
1875
District
West Derby
County
Lancashire
Volume
8B

from fmp

Mary
Last name
Layton
Gender
Female
Birth year
1804
Birth place -
Baptism year
1804
Baptism date
16 Dec 1804
Place
St Helens
County
Lancashire
Country
England
Father's first name(s)
Jno.
Father's last name
Layton
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Record set
England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

1841
Old Fold, Wigan, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Male
Thomas Rylance Male 40 1801 Lancashire, England
Female
Mary Ryland Female 35 1806 Lancashire, England
Male
Thomas Ryland Male 15 1826 Lancashire, England
Male
Richard Rylance Male 15 1826 Lancashire, England
Male
James Ryland Male 13 1828 Lancashire, England
Female
Elizabeth Ryland Female 10 1831 Lancashire, England
Female
Ellen Ryland Female 9 1832 Lancashire, England
Male
John Ryland Male 6 1835 Lancashire, England
Female
Mary Ryland Female 3 1838 Lancashire, England
Female
Margaret Ryland Female 0 1841 Lancashire, England
Male
Richard Melling Male 60 1781 Lancashire, England
Male
William Melling Male 25 1816 Lancashire, England
Male
Robert Melling Male 15 1826 Lancashire, England

1851
Mersey Street North, Bootle cum Linacre, West Derby, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Male
John Ryland
Head
Married Male 53 1798 Foreman Sutton, Lancashire, England
Female
Mary Ryland
Wife
Married Female 46 1805 - Sutton, Lancashire, England
Female
Mary Rylands
Daughter
- Female 11 1840 - Tranmere, Cheshire, England

1871
Sterling Street, Kirkdale, West Derby, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Female
Mary Ryland
Head
- Female 66 1805 - Lancashire, England
Female
Mary Ryland
Daughter
- Female 31 1840 - Cheshire, England
Male
John Layton --------------
Brother
- Male 60 1811 - Lancashire, England

Name: Mary Layton
Gender: Female
Age: 48
Birth Date: 1777
Burial Date: 19 May 1825
Burial Place: St. Helens Parish, Lancaster County
FHL Film Number: 1469036
Reference ID: CN 910

Name: Mary Rylands
Gender: Female
Age: 75
Birth Date: 1805
Burial Date: 18 May 1880
Burial Place: Walton On The Hill, Lancaster, England
FHL Film Number: 1647996
Reference ID: it376, Pg207, No1649

Name: John Rylands
Birth Year: abt 1798
Death Age: 63
Burial Date: 19 Sep 1861
Burial Parish: Walton-on-the-Hill, Lancashire, England
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
Reference Number: Drl 2/422

This COULD be the person whose baptism I posted above

Banns: St Mary, Prescot, Lancashire, England
John Rylands - Sutton
Mary Layton - Sutton
Banns Read: 16 Sep 1827, 2nd: 23 Sep 1827, 3rd: 30 Sep 1827
Register: Banns 1813 - 1837, Page 153, Entry 758
Source: LDS Film 1657598

Marriage: 7 Oct 1827 St Mary The Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
John Rylands - Weaver, Bachelor, this Parish
Mary Layton - (X), Spinster, this Parish
Witness: James Rylands; Sarah Rylands
Married by Banns by: George Greaves, Curate
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1830, Page 252, Entry 755
Source: LDS Film 1657584

YES!

Look at the address
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
11, Sterling Street, Kirkdale, West Derby, Lancashire, England

John Rylands Head Married Male 63 1798 Book keeper Sutton, Lancashire, England
Mary Rylands Wife Married Female 56 1805 Book keepers wife Sutton, Lancashire, England
Mary Rylands Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1840 Dress & mantle maker Cheshire, England

Found this on FS - NOT on LanOPC, and obviously not the same date as Ellen. I can't see the entry you refer to, Yvonne. Please C&P for our info

Name: Mary Layton
Sex: Female
Christening Date: 16 Dec 1804
Christening Place: St Helens, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original):
Saint Helens, Lancashire, England
Birth Date: 26 Nov 1804
Father's Name: Jno. Layton
Father's Sex: Male

No 'source' recorded

From LanOPC site

Baptism: 20 May 1798 St Michael, Burtonwood, Lancashire, England
William Layton - Son of John Layton & Mary
Abode: Sutton
Occupation: Weaver
Register: Baptisms 1668 - 1812, Entry 2179
Source: Private Transcription

Baptism: 27 Jan 1811 Tontine St Wesleyan Chapel, St Helens, Lancashire, England
John Layton - Son of John Layton & Mary (formerly Mills)
Born: 17 Jan 1811
Abode: Sutton
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Jabez Bunting
Register: Baptisms 1802 - 1832, Page 9, Entry 2
Source: LDS Film 560903

Baptism: 16 Nov 1813 Tontine St Wesleyan Chapel, St Helens, Lancashire, England
Hannah Layton - Daughter of John Layton & Mary (formerly Mills)
Born: 21 Oct 1813
Abode: Sutton
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Thomas Rowland
Register: Baptisms 1802 - 1832, Page 15, Entry 3
Source: LDS Film 560903

Baptism: 20 Feb 1820 Tontine St Wesleyan Chapel, St Helens, Lancashire, England
Ellen Layton - Daughter of John Layton & Mary
Born: 10 Jan 1820
Baptised by: Philip Garrett
Register: Baptisms 1802 - 1832, Page 24, Entry 4
Source: LDS Film 560903

NO baptism record for a Mary


Marriage: 19 Dec 1796 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
John Layton - Weaver, Sutton
Mary Mills - (X), Spinster, Sutton
Witness: John Standish, (X); Elizabith Mills?, (X)
Married by Banns by: William Ellam, Minister
Register: Marriages 1788 - 1812, Page 53, Entry 315
Source: LDS Film 1657584 item 10

I'm not seeing that baptism on FS.
Can you give more details, please?

Or better still, copy/paste the record to this thread?

Just looking at all this information again and I think I have it sorted thanks to you all. I've been looking at the children of John Layton and Mary Mills and found something that's got me a bit confused.
I have the birth and baptisms for John Layton and Hannah Layton and also Ellen who married John Tipping. On familysearch there is a birth and baptism for a Mary Layton, but the dates are exactly the same as those for Ellen.

Thanks. It does get confusing when children are given the same names as parents.
It looks like I was way off in my birth estimate for John senior.

John Layton
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1986
Name: John Layton
Birth Year: abt 1777
Death Age: 74
Burial Date: 26 Mar 1851
Burial Parish: Prescot, Lancashire, England
Register Type: Parish Register
Reference Number: PR 2923/1/28

Abode: Sutton.

The Probate does NOT give an age - that info is on the DEATH record

BUT..the Probate clearly states that Ellen Tipping was the decedent’s sister

Wow, you guys are good.
I know for sure that Ellen Layton married John Tipping.
On the copy of the probate I found it didn't give an age and I guess I assumed it was John Layton (senior) but with the age of 64 it does look like it was his son, born in 1811, who died in 1875. Thanks Erika.
I also had not found the daughter, Hannah, which safc found, so thanks for that.
I usually take other member's trees with a pinch of salt but just thought I'd look and when I saw the big discrepancies it got me searching some more.
Thanks.

First name(s) John
Last name Layton
Birth year 1776
Birth date 15 Nov 1776
Baptism year 1776
Baptism date 24 Nov 1776
Baptism place Liverpool, Our Lady and St Nicholas
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence Savage Leech
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's maiden name Layton
Mother's occupation Spinster

Died BEFORE 1851 census

LAYTON, JOHN 74
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 20 Page 699

1841

First name(s) John
Last name Layton
Sex Male
Age 60
Birth year 1781
Occupation - Governor Weaver
Birth county Lancashire
Birth county as transcribed LANCASHIRE
Birth place (other) England
Institution name Workhouse In Sutton
Street Workhouse In Sutton
Full address
Workhouse in Sutton, Prescot, Lancashire, England

Marriage: 19 Dec 1796 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
John Layton - Weaver, Sutton
Mary Mills - (X), Spinster, Sutton
Witness: John Standish, (X); Elizabith Mills?, (X)
Married by Banns by: William Ellam, Minister
Register: Marriages 1788 - 1812, Page 53, Entry 315
Source: LDS Film 1657584 item 10